Defense posts George Zimmerman photo from night of Trayvon Martin shooting

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This is an absolutely vital aspect which is completely ignored in political discussions, and you put it very well.

Infinite 👍 !!!

And a very good reminder to us!
qui_est_ce said:
Sorry I never got back to you. This is an excellent post. 👍

This is why I think we have to personally involve ourselves in charity. Government handouts enable irresponsible behavior, not having to deal with consequences of poor choices.

Kids are being raised by parents who feel they have no responsibility for being involved in their kids lives. The moms boyfriends either stay up all not playing video games with the children or abusing them. It’s horrible.

At the homeless shelter where I volunteer, one of the first things we have to teach the women is respect for themselves and love for their children. These women have no self-esteem. This is why they are sleeping with another man while there is a baby in the other room. By the time they are 25 they have 4 and 5 kids. And they become homeless because they are kicked out of
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Forensics back up GZ’s claim that M threw the first punch, knocking GZ to the ground, then got astride him and started punneling hin and bashing his head against the pavement. TM injuries: skinned knuckles, single gunshot wound – GZ’s insjuruies: broken nose, contusions to the back of his head, no injuries to the hands.

You’re beating a dead horse on this.
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St. Francis,

I believe he has a hidden agenda. A lot of anti CC folk are desperately pinning their hopes on a Zimmerman conviction…

as if that will help their continually losing cause.

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qui_est_ce said:
Sorry I never got back to you. This is an excellent post. 👍

This is why I think we have to personally involve ourselves in charity. Government handouts enable irresponsible behavior, not having to deal with consequences of poor choices.

Kids are being raised by parents who feel they have no responsibility for being involved in their kids lives. The moms boyfriends either stay up all not playing video games with the children or abusing them. It’s horrible.

At the homeless shelter where I volunteer, one of the first things we have to teach the women is respect for themselves and love for their children. These women have no self-esteem. This is why they are sleeping with another man while there is a baby in the other room. By the time they are 25 they have 4 and 5 kids. And they become homeless because they are kicked out of whatever house they shared their government benefits with. They yell at their kids, mock them. We teach them to talk to their kids. What a difference that makes. You can always tell a new mom by her behavior towards her children.

One can say living in poverty is no fun. But when that is all a person has known or expects, it is irrelevant. Once a person knows they CAN achieve something better for themselves or at least their children, they can become motivated to work toward that. They start helping their children with homework, go to parent-teacher meetings. There is a grade-school right next door to the shelter, and the moms get involved. I’m amazed how the kids like to share what they learned in school. They also learn about God and something outside themselves. I love to hear the kids pray! This is not allowed by government programs.

My sister rocks babies at Crisis Nursery. She often wonders if she is making a difference. I tell her yes, at the very least it changes her heart. It is not up to us to decide if we are making a difference. We are called to care for the poor. God is the judge.

There isn’t enough money in the world to pay for social workers to do this kind of involvement. It has to come from personal caring.
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It seems like the fundamental problem is with education and social justice. And these are within the purview of the government.

Charity alone, which cannot be guaranteed, cannot solve such huge problems. But the state can, and I believe the state definitely has the money to do so.
 
JohnVictor said:
Forensics back up GZ’s claim that M threw the first punch, knocking GZ to the ground, then got astride him and started punneling hin and bashing his head against the pavement. TM injuries: skinned knuckles, single gunshot wound – GZ’s insjuruies: broken nose, contusions to the back of his head, no injuries to the hands.

You’re beating a dead horse on this.
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That doesn’t prove that Zimmerman didn’t put hands on Martin first.

Also, how does Forensics prove who threw the first punch? They can’t, but only the person was punched.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
That doesn’t prove that Zimmerman didn’t put hands on Martin first.

Also, how does Forensics prove who threw the first punch? They can’t, but only the person was punched.

Jim
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Actually they can.

If you don’t have bruised or scratched knuckles its pretty obvious you didn’t throw a punch - let alone the first punch.
 
SamH said:
Actually they can.

If you don’t have bruised or scratched knuckles its pretty obvious you didn’t throw a punch - let alone the first punch.
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They can only show who landed the first punch and it had enough on it to cause a mark.

For all we know, Zimmerman threw a punch which Martin deflected, or it hit him in the chest without much power behind it.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
They can only show who landed the first punch and it had enough on it to cause a mark.

For all we know, Zimmerman threw a punch which Martin deflected, or it hit him in the chest without much power behind it.

Jim
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For all we know Santa Claus took him out. :rolleyes:
 
qui est ce… you’re right on target

Lack of personal responsibility and self control in one form or another is the reason every prisoner sits where they do tonight. Mothers that neither teach nor demonstrate either to their kids, and let them run the streets at all hours, and kids that have never had a father figure in the home.

Fix that - and problem solved.

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JimR-OCDS said:
That doesn’t prove that Zimmerman didn’t put hands on Martin first.

Also, how does Forensics prove who threw the first punch? They can’t, but only the person was punched.

Jim
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The forensic facts do not support your story. The witnesses do not support your story.

As a matter of fact you couldnt even utter that tripe in court since you have no evidence to support it - except as an emotional closing statement.

That dead horse you keep pounding on is beginning to smell… :🙂
 
JohnVictor said:
St. Francis,

I believe he has a hidden agenda. A lot of anti CC folk are desperately pinning their hopes on a Zimmerman conviction…

as if that will help their continually losing cause.

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CC? Catholic Church?!?!?

Oh! Concealed carry…!

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kelvinf said:
It seems like the fundamental problem is with education and social justice. And these are within the purview of the government.

Charity alone, which cannot be guaranteed, cannot solve such huge problems. But the state can, and I believe the state definitely has the money to do so.
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The problem is too many people think class envy is social justice.

If you are relying on the state to solve huge problems at the individual level by throwing piles of cash at it you are part of the problem. We have 50 years of proof that doesn’t work.
 
kelvinf said:
It seems like the fundamental problem is with education and social justice. And these are within the purview of the government.

Charity alone, which cannot be guaranteed, cannot solve such huge problems. But the state can, and I believe the state definitely has the money to do so.
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Qui est-ce qui just wrote a very moving post on the utmost importance of personal individual response, and you take that to support your contention that the government should do everything?

We probably would not need anywhere near as much “charity” in the form of government aid were it not for the lack of personal involvement with those in need. The more the government has poured into “charity,” the worse things have gotten. I notice that government aid to those in need in Europe is bankrupting several nations…
 
St_Francis said:
Qui est-ce qui just wrote a very moving post on the utmost importance of personal individual response, and you take that to support your contention that the government should do everything?

We probably would not need anywhere near as much “charity” in the form of government aid were it not for the lack of personal involvement with those in need. The more the government has poured into “charity,” the worse things have gotten. I notice that government aid to those in need in Europe is bankrupting several nations…
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Martin Luther King had a dream. A GREAT one! … Sadly, LBJ engineered a course that turned it into a terrible nightmare. .
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Huh?

I’ve got to read your reasons why.

Jim
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Why? LBJ created a dependency class of perpetual Democrat voters, trapped for generations in poverty, crime and misery… but, when has socialism ever produced anything other than that?

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JohnVictor said:
Why? LBJ created a dependency class of perpetual Democrat voters, trapped for generations in poverty, crime and misery… but, when has socialism ever produced anything other than that?

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How did LBJ cause this? :rolleyes:

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
How did LBJ cause this? :rolleyes:

Jim
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You didn’t know LBJ signed into law policies that have fostered 50 yrs of generational welfare recipients (mostly Democrat voters)?  

Do some independent study on The Great Society and its effect on poverty and crime...
Then we'll talk some more.... :)



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