Delatinizing the Syro Malabar Church

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dochawk said:
Rather, before @Elias demands that other churches keep the latinization
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. . . . I made no such demands. Merely a suggesting keeping the rosary is not a demand. The rosary is a timeless tradition of the Catholic Church. If there at least be one tradition that unites all the branches of the Catholic Church, it ought to be the rosary.

Further more, one can pray the rosary before the hours or after mass. Nothing needs to be replaced.
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I just read it, and it has more to do with our Eastern siblings that are in schism not with Eastern Catholics and an order to “delatinize”. So please, enlighten me where did the Pope order the Eastern Catholics to “delatinize”? I would like to know so I don’t live in ignorance.
 
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ORIENTALIUM ECCLESIARUM
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Thank you for pointing this out. My favorite part was this:
Meanwhile, however, all Christians, Eastern as well as Western, are earnestly asked to pray to God fervently and assiduously, nay, indeed daily, that, with the aid of the most holy Mother of God, all may become one. Let them pray also that the strength and the consolation of the Holy Spirit may descend copiously upon all those many Christians of whatsoever church they be who endure suffering and deprivations for their unwavering avowal of the name of Christ.

Which goes back to my request that during said “delatinization” that said Eastern Rite traditions at least keep the rosary. It doesn’t even need to be prayed before or after mass, just that it be prayed. Again, as a unifying factor for the enitre Catholic Church and her various branches.
 
Unity doesn’t mean sameness. And We Easterners have our own prayers to the Mother of God. Why be so insistent that we adopt the rosary, rather than encouraging us to pray our own prayers to the Mother of God daily?
 
To ease your dilemma, I would like to point out John Paul II said that Akathist has same effect as Rosary… so that great Pope saw it fit to not force Rosary upon East, as they already have something akin to it.

East can keep Rosary but as organic development, not because they are asked to for sake of uniformity. Uniformity is not unity. On the other hand if people have already accepted Rosary as their own it would be bad to tear it away from them just because it is prevalent in Latin Rite. It is not up to us Latins to decide which is which.

I, for one, struggle with praying Rosary. I can’t focus very well and even using beads is pretty hard for me (fingers work better for me). When I prayed Akathist I had no such problem. I prayed it alone before Confession privately. Brothers Eastern Catholics, can I do that? Pray Akathist without a Priest? If so, it would be nice to improve my relationship with Our Lady for me… and I do believe I will eventually grow to love Rosary, when my mind becomes less restless.
 
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From Orientalium Dignitas by Pope Leo XIII (Sorry. I don’t have the paragraph numbers):
“Inasmuch as this diversity of liturgical form and discipline of the Eastern Churches is approved in law, besides its other merits, it has redounded tremendously to the glory and usefulness of the Church. They ought not figure any less as subjects of Our charge. So much is this the case that it is in the best interest of all that their discipline not haphazardly borrow anything that would be ill-suited from Western ministers of the Gospel whom love for Christ compels to go to those peoples. The decisions that Our illustrious Predecessor Benedict XIV in his wisdom and foresight decreed in the Constitution of 24 December 1743 remain in force.”
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Although I’ve not been able to find an English translation of Pope Benedict’s “Constitution” (titled Demandatam coelitus humilitati nostrae), the reviews that I’ve found say that it explicitly forbids Easterners to mix Latin liturgical practices with their own. Although Pope Benedict XIV addressed this document to the Melkites who were entering communion with Rome at the time, Pope Leo XIII expanded the application to include all Eastern Catholic Churches
 
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OrbisNonSufficit said:
East can keep Rosary but as organic development, not because they are asked to for sake of uniformity. Uniformity is not unity. On the other hand if people have already accepted Rosary as their own it would be bad to tear it away from them just because it is prevalent in Latin Rite. It is not up to us Latins to decide which is which.
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There are many Eastern Catholics and Orthodox who pray the rosary as a private devotion. I’m honestly fine with that, so long as their use of the rosary doesn’t replace our own Eastern devotions to the Mother of God.

My only suggestion to those of us who are encouraging folks to delatinize would be not to tear the rosary away from folks without offering the suitable Eastern alternative. Byzantines should be encouraged to pray the Akathist or Paraclesis to the Mother of God; or perhaps even the Prayer Rule of the Theotokos (which some believe is older than the rosary and that the rosary itself is a Western adaptation of it).

We Syriacs have our own prayers and devotions to the Mother of God. I stumbled upon a hymn to the Blessed Virgin in the Maronite Divine Office which is quite lovely and which I pray daily.
 
Elias said:
The rosary is a timeless tradition of the Catholic Church
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A tradition of the Latin Church, not the Eastern Churches.
Elias said:
If there at least be one tradition that unites all the branches of the Catholic Church, it ought to be the rosary
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The Eastern Catholic Churches and Rome are united in faith, not a personal devotion.
Elias said:
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It’s actually written to the Eastern Catholic Churches:


Read DECREE ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES
OF THE EASTERN RITE ORIENTALIUM ECCLESIARUM SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...cree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html

ZP
 
We are already united through the Eucharist. You can’t get more unified than that. The East has the same faith as the West. They just express it differently with some different devotions and traditions, that’s all. Sharing a private devotion to the rosary isn’t necessary, when we are already united through the source and summit of our faith, the Eucharist.
 
Elias said:
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Rome supports delatinisation hands down
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Okay, this will be the 3rd time I ask this question in this thread. Please, can someone please give me a link where Rome/The Pope/The Vatican talks about delatinization or the need to delatinize non-western catholic churches.
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I hope this helps. I have provided selective quotes, but it is best to read the whole document.

The liturgical laws valid for all the Eastern Churches are important because they provide the general orientation. However, being distributed among various texts, they risk remaining ignored, poorly coordinated and poorly interpreted. It seemed opportune, therefore, to gather them in a systematic whole, completing them with further clarification: thus, the intent of the Instruction, presented to the Eastern Churches which are in full communion with the Apostolic See, is to help them fully realize their own identity. The authoritative general directive of this Instruction, formulated to be implemented in Eastern celebrations and liturgical life, articulates itself in propositions of a juridical-pastoral nature, constantly taking initiative from a theological perspective.
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Desiring that these treasures flourish and contribute ever more efficiently to the evangelization of the world, Orientalium Ecclesiarum affirms, as do successive documents, that the members of Eastern Churches have the right and the duty to preserve them, to know them, and to live them.14 Such affirmation contains a clear condemnation of any attempt to distance the Eastern faithful from their Churches, whether in an explicit and irreversible manner, with its juridical consequences, inducing them to pass from one Church sui iuris to another,15 or whether in a less explicit manner, favoring the acquisition of forms of thought, spirituality, and devotions that are not coherent with their own ecclesial heritage, and thus contrary to the indications so often emphasized by Roman Pontiffs and expressed, with particular force, already in the Apostolic Letter Orientalium Dignitas of Leo XIII.
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Elias said:
You are being ridiculous and uncharitable.
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Ridiculous, yes. Uncharitable, no.
Elias said:
Merely a suggesting keeping the rosary is not a demand.
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Coming from a latin, it is.
Elias said:
Nothing needs to be replaced.
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Again, 500 years of history shows that this is not what happens.
Elias said:
Again, as a unifying factor for the enitre Catholic Church and her various branches.
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that is call a “latinization”
 
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I am a NRI but my parish in Kerala is St.Mary’s forane church Chalakudy (techincally the Bethelem Ashram) In america my parish is St.George SMCC in Paterson NJ
 
dochawk said:
that is call a “latinization”
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And not a unifying factor. The unifying factors are the Pope, the Divine Liturgy, the Holy Mysteries, and the Divine Office.

And the Rosary is not “timeless”. It dates back to only the Middle Ages, and only as a Latin devotion. It is not universal and is alien to Eastern spirituality. The prayer we all share in common, outside of the Mysteries, is the Divine Office.
 
BornInMarch said:
Miaphysitism is non-trinitarian, and it denies the humanity of Jesus.
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That is not correct. Miaphysitism is the term given to the christology of St. Cyril of Alexandria. It affirms both the divinity and humanity of Christ, through St. Cyril’s formula "one nature of the Incarnate (humanity) Word of God (divinity).
 
they are not the same. If you deny Miaphysitism,you deny Mar Koorolise of Jerusalem (St.Cyril of Jerusalem)
 
Now I do not know how the topic changed about praying the Rosary but let us seek some wisdom from the Malankara Jacobite Syriac Orthdox church (under the see of Antioch and the East) about this topic.
Titus Mor Yeldho writes:
https://www.malankara.com/faithfaq.html#t3n325
(click the hail mary topic)
 
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