Delatinizing the Syro Malabar Church

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Every time I see someone get excited about mia- or mono-, etc., it seems to be a matter of not having a comprehension of the languages of the two sides that were having the dispute.

In pretty much every historical case, the “losing” side was not saying what the “winning” side claimed.

Chist was true God and true man. I have a hard time getting excited or even interested in the further details of the technical nature of it, and see no way it would affect me (or anyone else) spiritually.

In fact, I lack the attention span to follow a couple of paragraphs on the issue, my eyes start going glassy the moment I see mia- or mono- . . .
 
Similarly, the doctrine of Immaculate conception is unscriptural
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Do the Syrian Orthodox believe that Mary was always “full of grace” (Luke 1:28)? I don’t see how that could be unscriptural, unless they mean it is not explicitly described in scripture.
and the bodily assumption of the BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary) is not a dogma in the Orthodox Churches.
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Is this a technical contention? Do the Syrian Orthodox believe that Mary is body and soul in heaven? Or only her soul?
 
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I do not really understand the first point H.E Titus Mar Yeldho makes but in the second,they are saying that the Orthodox churches believe in the Dormition of the theotokos,not the Assumption like the West
 
We have Presanctified Liturgy on Thursday evenings during the Great Fast while our sister parish (UGCC) still has Stations of the Cross on Fridays of the Great Fast. They actually have a lot of RCs who attend there even though it’s a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish.
 
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We have Presanctified Liturgy on Thursday evenings during the Great Fast while our sister parish (UGCC) still has Stations of the Cross on Fridays of the Great Fast. They actually have a lot of RCs who attend there even though it’s a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish.
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I know that this can be a difficult transition for parishes that have been steeped in latinization since the inception of the parish, but I really don’t understand why a parish would continue with Stations of the Cross and not, at a very minimum, add a Presanctified Liturgy. Maybe they can even coexist for a few years. But why would they deny their people the opportunity experience such a beautiful and meaningful liturgy of their own tradition? Stations of the Cross can be found at every Latin parish. Byzantine Rite parishes celebrating the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts are so much rarer. Do they not value the tradition? Or are they afraid of losing something? But they wouldn’t be. They can go to Stations of the Cross anywhere. With the Presanctified Liturgy, they could have something special and unique.
 
I wanted to go there but Greek Catholic churches are almost always locked up sadly
 
I looked at the church bulletin again (it’s for both parishes) and they have Presanctified Liturgy on Wednesdays as well as Stations on Fridays.

When I was little, we had Byzantine Stations of the Cross composed by (IIRC) +Fr. Demetrius Wysochansky.
However, in the early 1990s there was a decree mandating that in the Archeparchy of Philadelphia Presanctified Liturgy should be restored. Our former pastor said we had to have Presanctified. People complained but now we’re used to it. Personally, I ❤️ Presanctified.
 
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So…if I’m following you correctly, you don’t like the fact that the Ukrainian Catholic cathedral in Philadelphia is named for the Theotokos, the Immaculate Conception?
 
thank you! But I am foriegen to the Byzantine liturgy so I might need some background knowledge! Any resources you may know of?? @Vico ?
 
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The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts aka Presanctified Liturgy was started by Pope St. Gregory the Great, who was the apostolic delegate to Constantinople before he became pope.

The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts was Pope St. Gregory’s solution to the pleas of the faithful in Constantinople who wanted to receive Holy Communion during the weekdays of the Great Fast. He took parts of the Divine Liturgy, Vespers and added the distribution of the Holy Eucharist which was previously consecrated at the Sunday Divine Liturgy.

The faithful of Constantinople were thus nourished with the Holy Eucharist during the long weeks of the Great Fast. The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts soon became an integral part of the Great Fast and remains so today.
 
so basically the liturgy used for Great Lent? (and how long is lent for you guys?)
 
In the Byzantine & Ukrainian Greek Catholic Churches, we start on Clean Monday (2 days before Ash Wednesday on the Gregorian calendar).
 
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