Demanding proof of God

[dedo]

It’s not true that communism killed in History more than what religious groups or authorities have done.
Communism is not related to atheism (only a disbelief in a god, not a political regime), or atheists. Communisn could be a good idea if someone really tried it in the way it should be, just like what George Bernard Shaw said about Christianity: “Christianity might be a good thing if anyone ever tried it”.

Jesus died tragically too but he’s now in the belief system of many.
John Lennon died , but his songs are now in the lives of many.
Both of them died, but what they have done influenced many. (If Jesus ever existed).
Why you’re being so physical about Lennon but not about Jesus?

Secular wars including the genocides perpetrated by atheist regimes have killed far far more than wars motivated by religion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll

The cause of war and group violence is unknown; however, it is absolutely not religion.

It is likely to be related to some societal influence that can effect both religious and non-religious.

 

[User124]

Secular wars including the genocides perpetrated by atheist regimes have killed far far more than wars motivated by religion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll

The cause of war and group violence is unknown; however, it is absolutely not religion.

It is likely to be related to some societal influence that can effect both religious and non-religious.

I don’t know if “Secular wars” is the appreciate word.

We have to see the motifs of these wars and fights, sometimes it’s religion, other times it’s not.

Belief requires a conclusion: God exists. Denying the conclusion does not prove the conclusion to be false, but what evidence is there to say, the conclusion is false? Lack of good reason to reach the conclusion does nothing to prove the conclusion is false. If God is good, and good exists, then God exists. Good exists and therefore, God exists, but good is not God.

 

[User124]

Belief requires a conclusion: God exists. Denying the conclusion does not prove the conclusion to be false, but what evidence is there to say, the conclusion is false? Lack of good reason to reach the conclusion does nothing to prove the conclusion is false. If God is good, and good exists, then God exists. Good exists and therefore, God exists, but good is not God.

 

[interestedman]

Atheism is a belief system, no more, no less. It can’t be proven and never was proven.
It is not a fact. It is conjecture, opinion and theory only.

Catholocism is a fact. We have early fathers of the church to substantiate it. Any number of early writers refer to it and have written about it. We have places and names. We have people who agreed with it, disagreed with it, broke from it, joined it, and died for it, persecuted it, spread it, denied it, hated it, loved it, prayed for it, worked for it, taught it, annointed for it, died without it, led it, fought for it, and studied it. And thru all of this, we know about it, what it was and what it wasn’t, who was for it and who was against it. The blood that was spilt by the lions testifies to it, and the Roman emperors who fought it testify to it, and even christians themselves who gave it a bad name testify to it. Thu every century it has been testified to.
What more proof is there?

At the center of this is Jesus Christ.

Just a few thoughts.

Well Catholicism is a fact in that it exists. Is that what you meant by fact, because that is all your paragraph proved…that Catholicism is a belief system that exists. In no way does anything you said even come close to proving the claims of Catholicism though.

 

[interestedman]

Belief requires a conclusion: God exists. Denying the conclusion does not prove the conclusion to be false, but what evidence is there to say, the conclusion is false? Lack of good reason to reach the conclusion does nothing to prove the conclusion is false. If God is good, and good exists, then God exists. Good exists and therefore, God exists, but good is not God.

Well I am good. If I am good, and good exists, then I exist. Right? And you are right that lack of good reason to reach the conclusion does nothing to prove the conclusion false, but you probably don’t believe in santa clause or unicorns for that very reason.

 

[regina25]

try watching this…

youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5kVw9JsYI

base on experience, some atheist are immature, they want to see God in their own 2 eyes. The idea of a God in them is like a super hero who puffs in when you call Him, that’s not possible. Sometimes, it’s also best to ask what kind of proof they want, coz sometimes they also did not know what they want. Some atheist are atheist because they are longing for something, i don;t know but I just felt that to them.

 

[PRmerger]

It’s not true that communism killed in History more than what religious groups or authorities have done.

That, frankly, is an astonishingly uninformed statement that flies in the face of the facts.

 

[User124]

try watching this…

youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5kVw9JsYI

base on experience, some atheist are immature, they want to see God in their own 2 eyes. The idea of a God in them is like a super hero who puffs in when you call Him, that’s not possible. Sometimes, it’s also best to ask what kind of proof they want, coz sometimes they also did not know what they want. Some atheist are atheist because they are longing for something, i don;t know but I just felt that to them.

Ever heard an atheist saying that they are atheists because they don’t see ^God^?

 

[User124]

That, frankly, is an astonishingly uninformed statement that flies in the face of the facts.

This study is only about the Twentieth century, religions are not only about the 20Th century.

There are Christians who did a lot of crimes against humanity based on their religious beliefs, it would be unethical and illogical to blame all Christians and Christianity.
If some Communist leaders did terrible things, what this has to do with atheism or atheists?

 

[robwar]

Communism is the ultimate secular society and is based on atheism. Not only has it killed more people but the policies have results in the starvation deaths of millions more.

 

[PRmerger]

This study is only about the Twentieth century, religions are not only about the 20Th century.

There are Christians who did a lot of crimes against humanity based on their religious beliefs, it would be unethical and illogical to blame all Christians and Christianity.
If some Communist leaders did terrible things, what this has to do with atheism or atheists?

Mathematically, User, even taking into account all of ancient history, no religious atrocities can even catch up to the staggeringly horrific death statistics caused by Communist leaders, User.

 

[jam070406]

This study is only about the Twentieth century, religions are not only about the 20Th century.

There are Christians who did a lot of crimes against humanity based on their religious beliefs, it would be unethical and illogical to blame all Christians and Christianity.
If some Communist leaders did terrible things, what this has to do with atheism or atheists?

You can watch this video to see some of the horror atheistic communism perpetuated. Fairly recently.

youtube.com/watch?v=nksgkCRcaEU&sns=em

 

[PRmerger]

Communism is the ultimate secular society and is based on atheism. Not only has it killed more people but the policies have results in the starvation deaths of millions more.

:sad_yes:

There is no arguing with that fact. It is incontrovertible.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t need 100% certainty. Maybe just a REALLY good argument. Unfortunately there is no really good argument for the existence of God.

This is true, interestedman. There is no really good argument for the existence of God.

But when one takes them all, in concert with one another, they really are very hard to refute.

Here’s just 20 arguments for God existence. Some are better than others, but these 20, (which are by no means an exhaustible list), together, give some mighty fine reasons to believe.

 

[PRmerger]

The number of atheists are growing each day. America is becoming more secularized and** there is nothing anyone can do to stop it**.

That is, frankly, a ridiculous assertion.

Of course there is LOTS we can do, and are doing, to stop the growth of atheism.

 

[SirWillliam]

I think that the story of Bernadette of Lourdes is fairly recent proof of the existence of God.

Bernadette identified the beautiful lady she was seeing as The Immaculate Conception.
Being an uneducated peasant girl, Bernadette had no idea what these words meant and
had to repeat them over and over again to herself so she wouldn’t forget them going back
from the Grotto de Massabielle to tell her pastor.

Since it was impossible for Bernadette to have made up the words, Immaculate Conception,
(one theologian said that it would have been beyond her abilities), she could only have
gotten these words from the Virgin Mary, Herself.

Bernadette had asked the Lady her name many times, and, finally, on 15th apparition of
March 25, 1858, Mary said in the local dialect, Que soy era Immaculada Councepciou.

If the Virgin Mary exists, then Jesus exists, and if Jesus exists, God exists.

 

[CarloMagnus]

It’s not true that communism killed in History more than what religious groups or authorities have done.
Communism is not related to atheism (only a disbelief in a god, not a political regime), or atheists. Communisn could be a good idea if someone really tried it in the way it should be, just like what George Bernard Shaw said about Christianity: “Christianity might be a good thing if anyone ever tried it”.

Jesus died tragically too but he’s now in the belief system of many.
John Lennon died , but his songs are now in the lives of many.
Both of them died, but what they have done influenced many. (If Jesus ever existed).
Why you’re being so physical about Lennon but not about Jesus?

I disagree. The Inquisition, in the span of 800 years only killed less than 100,000. The 30 Years War only killed circa 8 million. The Crusades killed over less than 400,000. And the French Religious Wars killed circa 75,000.

Circa 8,575,000.

Now Communist in WW2 alone killed 25 million. Before WW2 they killed another 10 million. So I completely disagree. Communism has murdered more people than Religion ever has.

Who the heck is John Lennon…?

I do some questions for atheists:

If atheists are right, wouldn’t life be without purpose or meaning? And if life is without purpose, wouldn’t that mean it’s not worth living? According to statistics, the atheists gather mostly in highly developed countries; where materialism is everywhere. That would mean that morals are also without meaning or purpose. If any man can get away with it, then he should. And if he can, why should he care who it affects? Where is the conscience in such a man and on what rationalization can he place his own morals if morals are without meaning or purpose?

If a God that symbolizes all that is good, just and orderly, does not exist, wouldn’t everything else simply be chaos? How can a person rationalize order, justice and good when he places such principles on nothing?

I would also like some on this explanation:

How can a 16 yr old untrained peasant French girl beat an all-powerful English army?
How can such a girl have an understanding of law when law is not a study of the poor?
What could motivate such a girl to have the highest belief in a God that does care about France, when she knew she would lose her life? Who would bother risking what they have for a country that gave her only poverty?

-Karl

 

[pete_29]

I want proof that the universe created itself!

 

[SirWillliam]

I think that the story of Bernadette of Lourdes is fairly recent proof of the existence of God.

Bernadette identified the beautiful lady she was seeing as The Immaculate Conception.
Being an uneducated peasant girl, Bernadette had no idea what these words meant and
had to repeat them over and over again to herself so she wouldn’t forget them going back
from the Grotto de Massabielle to tell her pastor.

Since it was impossible for Bernadette to have made up the words, Immaculate Conception,
(one theologian said that it would have been beyond her abilities), she could only have
gotten these words from the Virgin Mary, Herself.

Bernadette had asked the Lady her name many times, and, finally, on 16th apparition of
March 25, 1858, Mary said in the local dialect, Que soy era Immaculada Councepciou.

If the Virgin Mary exists, then Jesus exists, and if Jesus exists, God exists.

 

[User124]

Mathematically, User, even taking into account all of ancient history, no religious atrocities can even catch up to the staggeringly horrific death statistics caused by Communist leaders, User.

This does not answer my question.

You can watch this video to see some of the horror atheistic communism perpetuated. Fairly recently.

youtube.com/watch?v=nksgkCRcaEU&sns=em

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

See the difference.

I disagree. The Inquisition, in the span of 800 years only killed less than 100,000. The 30 Years War only killed circa 8 million. The Crusades killed over less than 400,000. And the French Religious Wars killed circa 75,000.

Circa 8,575,000.

Now Communist in WW2 alone killed 25 million. Before WW2 they killed another 10 million. So I completely disagree. Communism has murdered more people than Religion ever has.

Who the heck is John Lennon…?

I do some questions for atheists:

If atheists are right, wouldn’t life be without purpose or meaning? And if life is without purpose, wouldn’t that mean it’s not worth living? According to statistics, the atheists gather mostly in highly developed countries; where materialism is everywhere. That would mean that morals are also without meaning or purpose. If any man can get away with it, then he should. And if he can, why should he care who it affects? Where is the conscience in such a man and on what rationalization can he place his own morals if morals are without meaning or purpose?

If a God that symbolizes all that is good, just and orderly, does not exist, wouldn’t everything else simply be chaos? How can a person rationalize order, justice and good when he places such principles on nothing?

I would also like some on this explanation:

How can a 16 yr old untrained peasant French girl beat an all-powerful English army?
How can such a girl have an understanding of law when law is not a study of the poor?
What could motivate such a girl to have the highest belief in a God that does care about France, when she knew she would lose her life? Who would bother risking what they have for a country that gave her only poverty?

-Karl

Communism murdered people, what this has to do with atheists or atheism?

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god.

I try to not judge a religion by the horrible acts the believers of that religion do while they are being inspired by verses inside their religious books.

Even people among the same religion don’t share same views on morality.
I appreciate life, love, existence and everything beautiful without a belief in a god, what the belief in a god has to do with giving meaning to life? Those are two different subjects, please explain more the relation between both, because I don’t see any!

We do exists, supernatural things probably do not exist, why relay on them to make us what we are? They are simply a part of our imaginations to answer what is not yet answered, once you figure out why you believe in the other thousands religions and gods, you’ll figure out why there is people who don’t believe in yours.

I’ll answer your question, once you answer me how Zulfiqar won all the battles.

I want proof that the universe created itself!

Me too.