Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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7_Sorrows said:
I used to have respect for Meryl Streep and she was one of my favorite actresses in the 70’s and 80’s. She is no dummy. How can she stand up there and support a woman who has blatantly lied about so many things and failed in her role as Secretary of State.
I couldn’t believe Bill talking about when they first met and blah blah blah. Why didn’t he go into the first time he was unfaithful to her and all the girlfriends he had? This is all so pathetic. Bernie supporters were robbed of their democratic process. The system was rigged for Hillary. I am sorry, but this is just like watching a very bad comedy.
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I didn’t hear Donald going into all his infidelities either. He’s the guy who actually committed them. Would you have expected his current wife to bring it up?
 
Good_Tidings said:
WATCH: The Speech That Shook The Democratic Convention

Father Of Muslim American War Hero To Trump: ‘You Have Sacrificed Nothing’

huffingtonpost.com/entry/khizr-khan-trump-muslim_us_579aaf63e4b08a8e8b5d7973?section=
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That was so amazing. His subsequent interviews, along with his wife, have also been very, very powerful.

Of course, Trump’s response has been disgustingly low, even for him. He was asked about the father’s statement that he hasn’t sacrificed and instead of saying what any decent human would say, “you’re right sir, your son and family paid the ultimate sacrifice and I am humbled by your sacrifice and loss” he started listing all the ways he has “sacrificed.” Absolutely disgusting.

But, if you thought that was as low as a human could go, you’d be wrong. Trump found a way to go even lower. He then started trash-talking the grieving mother by saying she didn’t speak and implying she wasn’t “allowed” to speak. Yes, she didn’t speak but, as she told a reporter, she is so grief stricken she can’t bear to go in her son’s room or look at his picture. She knew she would be too emotional to talk about her son in front of a huge audience and, in fact, when she came out on stage there was a picture of her son behind her and she was overcome with grief.
 
YADA said:
That sir is ridiculous - I do not support murder - of people living in gang infested inner cities nor of the police who defend us from criminals - criminals like the shooter in Dallas …

Read and study a little history - you will understand the difference between what the people rising up against a tyrannical government looks like … and the murderous shooter in Dallas.

But I defend your right to make ignorant statements like the above.
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Yes, it is rediculous, but it also what the shooter was doing - rising up against what he considered a tyrannical government.

That is what rising up against the government looks like. That is what the branch of the NRA that makes that claim do not get. Rising up against “the tyrannical government” means murdering people – the people who are in charge of keeping law and order in society, ie, the police, federal agents, military personnel.

So, can only rural people rise against the government? Are people living in gang infested inner cities not allowed to rise up?

Tom A.
 
It looks like Clinton got a big convention bounce: Trump Reeling As Clinton Gets 10 Point Democratic Convention Bounce And 15 Point Lead
A new poll taken after the Democratic convention revealed that Hillary Clinton had erased any gains that Trump made after the Republican convention, with a 10 point convention bounce and a 15 point lead.
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RABA Research found:
Among likely voters, Clinton garners 46% support to Trump’s 31%. Libertarian Gary Johnson now captures 7% of the vote, while Jill Stein sits at 2%.
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A RABA Research poll conducted the day after the Republican convention showed a tighter race, with Clinton at 39% and Trump at 34%. Johnson was at 8% in that survey, while Stein found 3% support.
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politicususa.com/2016/07/30/trump-reeling-clinton-10-point-democratic-convention-bounce-15-point-lead.html
 
Songcatcher said:
That was so amazing. His subsequent interviews, along with his wife, have also been very, very powerful.

Of course, Trump’s response has been disgustingly low, even for him. He was asked about the father’s statement that he hasn’t sacrificed and instead of saying what any decent human would say, “you’re right sir, your son and family paid the ultimate sacrifice and I am humbled by your sacrifice and loss” he started listing all the ways he has “sacrificed.” Absolutely disgusting.

But, if you thought that was as low as a human could go, you’d be wrong. Trump found a way to go even lower. He then started trash-talking the grieving mother by saying she didn’t speak and implying she wasn’t “allowed” to speak. Yes, she didn’t speak but, as she told a reporter, she is so grief stricken she can’t bear to go in her son’s room or look at his picture. She knew she would be too emotional to talk about her son in front of a huge audience and, in fact, when she came out on stage there was a picture of her son behind her and she was overcome with grief.
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I agree, I too am completely disgusted by Trumps response to the family of a deceased soldier. Just when I think that Trump has sinked to the lowest in decorum, he opens his mouth and again lowers the bar. If Trump becomes president are these disgusting responses from him a sample of the responses we are to expect from him regarding the sacrifices made by our troops and their families.
Trumps response is not how a president is supposed to respond to the family of a soldier who sacrificed his life in service to his country.

This is how a president is to respond:
Abraham Lincoln:

“Executive Mansion,
Washington, Nov. 21, 1864.
To Mrs. Bixby, Boston, Mass.
Dear Madam,
I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.
Yours, very sincerely and respectfully,
A. Lincoln”
papersofabrahamlincoln.org/how-you-can-help/our-search-for-documents/notes-on-the-bixby-letter

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"To the Father and Mother of Col. Elmer E. Ellsworth:

My dear Sir and Madam, In the untimely loss of your noble son, our affliction here, is scarcely less than your own. So much of promised usefulness to one’s country, and of bright hopes for one’s self and friends, have rarely been so suddenly dashed, as in his fall. In size, in years, and in youthful appearance, a boy only, his power to command men, was surpassingly great. This power, combined with a fine intellect, an indomitable energy, and a taste altogether military, constituted in him, as seemed to me, the best natural talent, in that department, I ever knew. And yet he was singularly modest and deferential in social intercourse. My acquaintance with him began less than two years ago; yet through the latter half of the intervening period, it was as intimate as the disparity of our ages, and my engrossing engagements, would permit. To me, he appeared to have no indulgences or pastimes; and I never heard him utter a profane, or intemperate word. What was conclusive of his good heart, he never forgot his parents. The honors he labored for so laudably, and, in the sad end, so gallantly gave his life, he meant for them, no less than for himself.

In the hope that it may be no intrusion upon the sacredness of your sorrow, I have ventured to address you this tribute to the memory of my young friend, and your brave and early fallen child.

May God give you that consolation which is beyond all earthly power. Sincerely your friend in a common affliction –

A. Lincoln"
abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/ellsworth.htm
 
meteoric said:
Yes, it is rediculous, but it also what the shooter was doing - rising up against what he considered a tyrannical government.

That is what rising up against the government looks like. That is what the branch of the NRA that makes that claim do not get. Rising up against “the tyrannical government” means murdering people – the people who are in charge of keeping law and order in society, ie, the police, federal agents, military personnel.

So, can only rural people rise against the government? Are people living in gang infested inner cities not allowed to rise up?

Tom A.
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This sounds a lot like you are endorsing the cop killing.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Michael Mayo;14078038:
I always reflect back on the secret meeting on the tarmac of the Phoenix airport between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch. the Clintons live by their own rules - multiple servers, deleted e-mails.
Trump has not lived a political life. he is going against Hillary who is bought and paid for by Wall Street and George Soros. I have no problem not voting for Hillary and supporting Donald.
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It wasn’t secret. It was public. Private server was legal and she was not the first. But why am I defending her? I dislike her only a bit less than Donald who I think is completely inappropriate. Incompetent, and temperamentally unstable.
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_Abyssinia said:
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of RABA research before… what credibility do they have?
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Nate Silver at 538 cited them on 23 July in his discussion of Trump’s convention bounce:
Election Update: Is Trump Getting A Convention Bump?
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A RABA Research poll, conducted on Friday, shows Clinton 5 percentage points ahead of Trump, 39-34, with a large undecided and third-party vote. That sounds bad for Trump, but the trend line in the poll is favorable for him: The previous edition of the poll, conducted two weeks ago, had him down 12 points.
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fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-trump-getting-a-convention-bump/
 
Songcatcher said:
That was so amazing. His subsequent interviews, along with his wife, have also been very, very powerful.

Of course, Trump’s response has been disgustingly low, even for him. He was asked about the father’s statement that he hasn’t sacrificed and instead of saying what any decent human would say, “you’re right sir, your son and family paid the ultimate sacrifice and I am humbled by your sacrifice and loss” he started listing all the ways he has “sacrificed.” Absolutely disgusting.

But, if you thought that was as low as a human could go, you’d be wrong. Trump found a way to go even lower. He then started trash-talking the grieving mother by saying she didn’t speak and implying she wasn’t “allowed” to speak. Yes, she didn’t speak but, as she told a reporter, she is so grief stricken she can’t bear to go in her son’s room or look at his picture. She knew she would be too emotional to talk about her son in front of a huge audience and, in fact, when she came out on stage there was a picture of her son behind her and she was overcome with grief.
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Trump is, as ever, true to form. I suppose one could make a case that consistency is a virtue. He acts just like a spoiled child. It is amazing that a man with a character such as this is the Republican contender for POTUS. (No need to remark about Hillary’s character. But even she would not have stooped so low in this instance.) The man has, at the very least, a personality disorder: he cannot help himself.
 
dmelosi said:
This sounds a lot like you are endorsing the cop killing.
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No, but I am pointing out that people who want their guns for rising up against a tyrannical government are really talking about killing cops.

Tom A.
 
Thorolfr said:
Nate Silver at 538 cited them on 23 July in his discussion of Trump’s convention bounce:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-trump-getting-a-convention-bump/
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I looked at RABA research’s Twitter account, and after the RNC they had a tweet regarding a poll where Hillary Clinton was leading over Trump… when various other polls that came out after the RNC had Trump with a significant bump, leading against Clinton. I bet other polls that come out in the coming days won’t show Clinton with the kind of lead the Raba Research poll is showing.
 
Thorolfr said:
It looks like Clinton got a big convention bounce:

politicususa.com/2016/07/30/trump-reeling-clinton-10-point-democratic-convention-bounce-15-point-lead.html
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I saw that earlier but I wasn’t really sure about RABA. Nate Silver has been asked about that and he rates them fairly high-said they’re new to the game but they’ve had a good record so far. They do their polling online but they use standard polling methods to weight for demographics, unlike most online polls. I guess we’ll see.

Obama is getting a big bounce, according to Gallup. His already fairly high approval rating is going up, up, up. Not at all surprised by that given his speech.
 
Millie123 said:
I agree, I too am completely disgusted by Trumps response to the family of a deceased soldier. Just when I think that Trump has sinked to the lowest in decorum, he opens his mouth and again lowers the bar. If Trump becomes president are these disgusting responses from him a sample of the responses we are to expect from him regarding the sacrifices made by our troops and their families.
Trumps response is not how a president is supposed to respond to the family of a soldier who sacrificed his life in service to his country.
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meltzerboy said:
Trump is, as ever, true to form. I suppose one could make a case that consistency is a virtue. He acts just like a spoiled child. It is amazing that a man with a character such as this is the Republican contender for POTUS. (No need to remark about Hillary’s character. But even she would not have stooped so low in this instance.) The man has, at the very least, a personality disorder: he cannot help himself.
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I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt that way. It really was one of the most sickening things I’ve ever seen a politician do. People keep saying “he’ll stop being vulgar, racist and xenophobic after the primaries…,” or “he’ll stop being repugnant and bigoted after the convention…” but he just keeps getting worse. 😦
 
Songcatcher said:
I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt that way. It really was one of the most sickening things I’ve ever seen a politician do. People keep saying “he’ll stop being vulgar, racist and xenophobic after the primaries…,” or “he’ll stop being repugnant and bigoted after the convention…” but he just keeps getting worse. 😦
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And if Trump becomes President, I’m afraid it’s only the beginning in both words and deeds.
 
Good_Tidings said:
WATCH: The Speech That Shook The Democratic Convention

Father Of Muslim American War Hero To Trump: ‘You Have Sacrificed Nothing’

huffingtonpost.com/entry/khizr-khan-trump-muslim_us_579aaf63e4b08a8e8b5d7973?section=
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For him to say Trump has not sacrificed anything is actually a pretty horrible comment for him to have made. Trump may not have gone to war, but Khzir Khan doesn’t know whether Donald Trump has made sacrifices in his life. Who hasn’t made sacrifices at one time or another in their life?!
 
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