Democrats excluding Catholics

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Theo520:
NOPE, the GOP does fine on the issues.

Trump’s personal life is not the GOP platform
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It is because he was their chosen representative for the only national office they can all vote for.
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Ha and HIlary ( the baby killer) Clinton was the Democrats choice. It was really not a hard choice at all.
 
I think both parties are out of touch with the new voters.

The old voters are hanging on to their Pelosis and McConnells but for how much longer?

Paradigm shifts don’t occur overnight. It took many years for the Dems to form their Blue Dog coalition only to be outsmarted by gerrymandering and other factors. I don’t think the Church has helped either. The real credit goes to traditional groups who fought tooth and nail against all the politics which seems to have solidified the abortion is okay culture. Whether 4 weeks or 12 weeks or 20 weeks, abortion is not okay.
 
So now who are you claiming to be single issue voters. Can you please provide a list or something. In one thread you denigrate all who don’t agree with PF as enemies of the Pope and no in this thread because someone doesn’t vote Democrat they are a single issue voter. Will your judgments and generalities never cease. You sound like a 12 yr old girl. If you want to have anyone take your “Opinion” seriously you should try to be less emotional and a little more logical.
 
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jagged said:
For single issue voters that can ignore the indiscretions of Trump and the likelihood that he can’t keep his promises since he can’t keep his promises to his wives, workers and business partners, I’m sure it was not a hard choice.
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I missed where his personal foibles were part of the campaign platform he ran on?

None of his opponents delivered a similar message on trade, immigration enforcement, etc. As I recall, Cruz and his other GOP rivals also tried to win off Trumps amoral past rather than the issues but Trump won in spite of his well publicized failings. I believe if a more dutiful repub had run with the same platform as Trump, they would have won the nomination,

Dems should learn from this and double down on actual issues instead of Trumps known failings.
 
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What is not logical about Hilary and abortion. Logic dictates that Hilary’s hands are covered in the blood of millions of murdered babies. For me it is not a hard choice to vote for anyone else. Logic also shows us that Trump was the better choice. ie. SCotUS pick being one of the most glaring examples.
 
I think you’re referencing the 80/20 principle, which posits that in any organization 80% percent of the work is done by 20% of the people.
It’s an intriguing sociological concept.
Hereiam said:
Catholic is not just a noun…its also a verb!
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LOL no its not, it’s also an adjective…!

Peace
 
I showed you just a few days ago that Hillary’s comment was not “rare excited utterance” but was instead used by her two times; it’s disingenuous at best for you to refer to it as such in your quest to prove the d’s are worth voting for by Catholics. That was a comment thought out beforehand by her speechwriters for use if the right question came up.

And I would say that given the structure of the bitter clingers remark, that it was the same: a good way of both denigrating Rs and elevating those who vote for Obama. The latter are not bitter, unsophisticated xenophobes like those people over there.

Both remarks were similar in several respects. Neither was an excited utterance.
 
Imdaman said:
Logic dictates that Hilary’s hands are covered in the blood of millions of murdered babies.
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The emotionalism that you obviously seek to weaponize contradicts both any regard for logic, or even faithful belief in the sanctity of life, in my humble opinion.

The mother of an unborn child has the first responsibility to protect her child. Unless an abortion is forced on her, the mother is responsible for the death of her unborn child.
 
You have just denigrated half of Catholics and 80% of Catholics.

Sure 20% may do the most in a parish. So what are the other 80% doing? I’ll tell what they were doing in every parish I have been involved with: raising children and working at jobs to support their families. Moreover, many Catholics are involved with charitable activities outside or only loosely connected with the parish, such as many ecumenical (multi-church) programs to help the poor, feed the homeless, and help unwed mothers.

The idea that conservatives give mord to charity was debunked by a pair who decided that giving to one’s church ought not count as charitable giving. Otherwise, apart from ND, the ten states in which overall giving was the smallest percentage of AGI went to Obama, ( The Ten Least Generous States in the U.S. | The Fiscal Times ) and the 17 states which gave the highest amounts overall all went to Romney ( The Ten Most Generous States in the U.S. | The Fiscal Times ).

In fact, those at the top of the list apart from Utah, Mississippi and Alabama, gave 4.99% and 4.8% respectively, putting Maine and NH, at 1.75% and 1.95%, to shame

(Eta) So on a personal level, it would seem that cobservatives are actually more concerned about the poor than are liberals, and this holds true for volunteering and even for donating blood as well.
 
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My family always voted Democrat going back generations. But when the favored Dem issues became abortion on demand, same sex ‘marriage,’ and now transgender rights, there were a lot of second thoughts. The Dems became the official party of abortion decades ago, and it kept getting worse with every platform. Many of us voted for them out of intertia until we realized we were voting for abortion every single time. Enough.
 
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Imdaman:
Logic dictates that Hilary’s hands are covered in the blood of millions of murdered babies.
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The emotionalism that you obviously seek to weaponize contradicts both any regard for logic, or even faithful belief in the sanctity of life, in my humble opinion.

The mother of an unborn child has the first responsibility to protect her child. Unless an abortion is forced on her, the mother is responsible for the death of her unborn child.
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The church teaches that not only is the mother at fault and culpable but also is anyone that facilitates, helps in or proliferates the cause for abortion. This would certainly include the likes of Hilary Clinton. See just go to the catechism and you can learn what the Church teaches about abortion.
 
Annie said:
You have just denigrated half of Catholics and 80% of Catholics.
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Perhaps those offended in the temple, when Jesus tipped over the tables, were experiencing similar self righteous indignation?
 
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Hereiam said:
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Annie:
You have just denigrated half of Catholics and 80% of Catholics.
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Perhaps those offended in the temple, when Jesus tipped over the tables, were experiencing similar self righteous indignation?
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Says the self-righteous, judgmental overlord of what is in someones else soul. You should really try to diminish the judgements you place on what you think someone is thinking or feeling. You have no way of knowing any of this. Annie gave you some excellent stats about who is helpng the poor and you choose to ignore this for a rude judgemental post. Annie is correct in pointing out that many of the 80% do what they can. YOu do not need to judge their decisions. God will do that
 
Imdaman said:
The church teaches that not only is the mother at fault and culpable but also is anyone that facilitates, helps in or proliferates the cause for abortion. This would certainly include the likes of Hilary Clinton. See just go to the catechism and you can learn what the Church teaches about abortion.
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Clearly, the father, members of the extended family, a Catholic doctor would be culpable. However, I think it is a big mistake (because it is a shift of responsibility) to involve politicians. Long ago there was a progressive idea that every man was the father of every child - an idea that I find ridiculous. If everyone is responsible for a child, then really no one is responsible for that child.

It is past time to stop placing blame on people who are not the real decision-makers and turn attention to the individuals who make the real decision about an abortion.
 
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jagged said:
It must be very troubling then to vote for someone who has unprotected adulterous sex that is the main cause of abortions.
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Adulterous sex and non-adulterous sex are quite similar. Neither necessarily results in abortions. But if you have the percentages, you can produce them for our study and reflection.
 
Not as troubling for me as voting for someone like Pelosi who voted against the partial-birth abortion ban, the protection for babies born alive after an attempt to kill act, conscience protection act, minors transported across state lines for abortions act…

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