Democrats excluding Catholics

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dvdjs said:
Contested primaries are messy from the view of the party hierarchy. If the party makes and endorsement of one Democrat over another it appears to be putting its thumb on the scale.
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But they were doing this ‘by omission’ before, by refusing to provide basic party support that they apparently were providing to his opponent.
 
dvdjs said:
You take an email between two Democrats - not in any sense the party or the DNC - and you put a wicked twist on the contents to conjure up your partisan polemic with reckless disregard for the truth.
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the dnc’s anti-catholic platform speaks volumes. the emails just show another side
Hereiam said:
Or is it because many Catholics no longer have the stomach for the gospel message of providing for the poor, caring of widows and orphans, freeing the oppressed? But, I guess they have a convenient scapegoat to avoid the uncomfortable feeling of guilt
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where does the gospel tell us to support the poor thru government intervention?

where does the gospel tell us to support the poor while destroying the family unit?

there is more than one way to fix a problem and the current give away isn’t doing it. when will we be brave enough to say, well that didn’t work and in fact made it worse. when will we try something else
dvdjs said:
It might not be the only way, but, at least in education, the RCC makes it clear that Catholics have a right for government support ofCatholic schools:
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which the dems don’t support
 
Then you should be hoping that the Blue Dog coalition exhibits/resurrects some muscle as we move forward.
 
I have great respect for Cardinal Dolan, and I hold life sacred. That being said, I have a different viewpoint regarding politics than he.

First and foremost, no catholic child should be denied a Catholic education for financial reasons nor for their immigration status - period. That is the responsibility of the Church collectively. I just about can’t write about this without getting emotional. As an infant my grandfather was “put on the wheel” in Sicily because due to circumstances of his birth he was left in the care of extended family who could not afford to care for him, and was subsequently raised and educated by the Church. Because he was a good student, he received an education comparable to that of children born in well-to-do families. My grandfather was most grateful throughout his life, and as his granddaughter I am grateful still today for the education provided to him by the Church.

Secondly, in my humble opinion, the Church has made a bad bargain with the GOP - as would be any bargain made with any political party regarding matters of faith. I believe that all of the energy put into political party politics should be put into people - into mothers and fathers and families.
 
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HCTC said:
First and foremost, no catholic child should be denied a Catholic education for financial reasons nor for their immigration status - period.
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This is a bizarre demand, if you mean general education rather than an education in the catechism.

Illegal Catholic immigrants should be schooled in the Catechism when they return home, by their local Parish church.
 
ProVobis said:
Then you should be hoping that the Blue Dog coalition exhibits/resurrects some muscle as we move forward.
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There really isn’t one. If you look at the NARAL and NRL prolife and pro-abortion lists, there’s not enough “dogs” to pull a child’s sled.

The Dem party has a long way to go in order to be other than the abortion party. A couple of terrible defeat years when the polls show that as the reason would likely do it. But it would take that.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The Dem party has a long way to go in order to be other than the abortion party. A couple of terrible defeat years when the polls show that as the reason would likely do it. But it would take that.
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It’s kinda weird that their cornerstone policy issues are unrestricted abortion and broad support for illegal immigration. They are very out of touch with their constituency, whom are open to reasonable compromises in both areas.
 
Theo520 said:
This is a bizarre demand, if you mean general education rather than an education in the catechism.
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News flash: In the not so distant past it use to be that way. Maybe the difference now is that there aren’t enough nuns to staff the schools. Even so some parishes still prioritize education and find a way for every child whose parents want them to have a Catholic education are in parochial school.
 
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HCTC said:
News flash: In the not so distant past it use to be that way. Maybe the difference now is that there aren’t enough nuns to staff the schools. Some parishes still prioritize the education and find a way for every child whose parents want them to have a Catholic education are in parochial school.
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Nope, only larger parishes with the resources had Catholic schools. It was a good thing but it’s crazy to portray it as a universal obligation of the Church to all Catholic families, legal resident or otherwise, regardless of Church finances…

Catholic schools are much cheaper to afford in Mexico anyway.
 
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I went to parochial school - until we moved across country to a parish where the school was too far away. My children went to parochial school - and I know for a fact that every child in the parish whose parents wanted them to have a Catholic education would have tuition accommodation made for them in exchange for volunteer hours.

Btw, when my children were in parochial school Federal Title I Funds were available to the school for students who qualified. These funds supported children who tested into the program or whose families qualified based on income.
 
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I think that’s great! It’s a worthy objective for every Parish,
not a universal right of all Catholic parents though.
 
I rarely disagree with you, but I have to on this. I believe education of the young should be very high on the list of priorities for parishes and dioceses. If people grow up knowing nothing about the faith, they’re not likely to serve any of the social purposes so many churchmen now emphasize.

And my grandchildren go to a very small Catholic grade school. It can be done.
 
The media has created a stereotype: the person who wants abortion to be illegal is automatically categorized as:
  • harsh, judgemental towards women;
    *indifferent to a whole series of other issues - poverty, domestic violence, child abuse, immigrant justice, etc, etc, and more etc
  • heartless towards needs of single pregnant women, and women with newborns.
The media has created another stereotype: the person who thinks abortion should be available but only a tragic, last resort. Somehow this person is always caring, concerned about women and children, spiritual, not a single issue person but compassionate about everything.

After over 40 years in social work, and in prolife, I have found both these stereotypes are almost always wrong.

The Peace and Justice movement, often funded by pro abortion people, has made inroads into many dioceses and Catholic schools. The argument seems to be, that it is better to be compassionate about many things than a rigid, heartless prolife fanatic obsessed only with abortion. The reality is that there is a direct connection between killing nameless, faceless babies, and the greater tendency to kill many people, or child abuse. If you can abortion them an hour before delivery, it is less bad to “abort” them afterwards.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I rarely disagree with you, but I have to on this. I believe education of the young should be very high on the list of priorities for parishes and dioceses. If people grow up knowing nothing about the faith, they’re not likely to serve any of the social purposes so many churchmen now emphasize.

And my grandchildren go to a very small Catholic grade school. It can be done.
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I think the Church is obligated to provide a very sound catechism for youths, and I think Catholic school where possible is the ideal method. I just don’t think Catholic K-12 is viable all across the country, which seemed to be the demand I originally replied to.

I also agree with you that where a Parish has the desire, they can work to make a Primary school available in most locations. Catholic K-6 can go a long ways in directing someone for life.
 
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Let us all try to focus on the topic of the thread. If someone wants to explore one of the other issues, start another thread.
 
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Let us all try to focus on the topic of the thread. If someone wants to explore one of the other issues, start another thread.
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From the article you posted:

What’s more, Dolan explained, is that he feels the Democrats are making it harder for low and middle-class children to get an education at a Catholic school.

“In recent years, some Democrats in the New York state Assembly repeatedly blocked education tax credit legislation, which would have helped middle-class and low-income families make the choice to select Catholic or other nonpublic schools for their children,” said Dolan. The cardinal said this type of legislation impedes the mission of these schools to serve poor, often immigrant, children.
 
jagged said:
Eh, I think neither party represents Catholic thought, so it is really a tradeoff between the two on which is the lesser of two evils.
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The party that doesn’t flatly endorse the murder of babies is the lesser of two evils.

That wasn’t very hard.
 
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