Democrats now critical of Rice's Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence

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Paul Ryan seemed to not have a clue how to handle Biden’s bizarre behavior. The inappropriate laughing, the pulling faces,… he came across as completely unstable PR was not prepared to have to respond to something like that.
 
LisaA said:
Just a little point off point but on target for CAF. The VP debate demonstrated two opposite poles in Catholicism.

On one side you had Paul Ryan with that precious story about his little girl and seeing her in an ultrasound, the size of a bean, hence her nickname. He so humanized the unborn and I thought that was one of the most effectivie and touching moments in the entire campaign.

Then you had grinnin’ Joe mawkish and bizarre, dancing around very clear Catholic teaching regarding abortion…oh it’s not for me but hey I can’t push my moral code on others…blech…

What a contrast and too bad we got the lesser of the two.

Lisa
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Yes it is a sign of the times we live in - moral confusion and depravity - that many would react positively to Biden’s performance during the debate. That said, I think Ryan was too polite to Biden and perhaps lacked passion? - maybe a bit too earnest, wonkish and dry too (except for his very effective humanizing of the unborn. Who knows, perhaps Biden’s strategy was based on information they had on undecideds at that point. He played the booring creep all too well, imo. (like it wasn’t a performance, but the real Biden). I wish Ryan had looked in the camera and leveled with the American people on just what Obamacare will do to America.

Perhaps Biden didn’t “win” so much as Ryan missed some opportunities to call b.s. on Obama/Biden.

In any election of the past - 1980, 84, 88, 92, 96, even 2000 - if you nominated a liberal hack like Biden, it would have meant an epic Republican landslide. Think back - Mondale - huge liberal. Dukakis - liberal. Clinton and Gore were more moderate (or perceived as such). You couldn’t nominate a flaming liberal and expect to win. Until now. Now we have a media subservient to the Democrats and an entitlement society that just allows the hard left to win general elections. And it looks as though the left is looking to lock in their electoral coalition by passing amnesty for more Hispanic voters. If that happens we can look forward to leftist control until the money runs out and the whole house of cards collapses. Gold anyone?

As for Biden/Hillary and the effect of Benghazi on their chances in 2016 I have one answer: Democrat controlled media + entitlement society + minority voters + gay/abortion lobby = Democrat victory. i.e. it probably won’t have an effect.

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LisaA said:
Just a little point off point but on target for CAF. The VP debate demonstrated two opposite poles in Catholicism.

On one side you had Paul Ryan with that precious story about his little girl and seeing her in an ultrasound, the size of a bean, hence her nickname. He so humanized the unborn and I thought that was one of the most effectivie and touching moments in the entire campaign.

Then you had grinnin’ Joe mawkish and bizarre, dancing around very clear Catholic teaching regarding abortion…oh it’s not for me but hey I can’t push my moral code on others…blech…

What a contrast and too bad we got the lesser of the two.

Lisa
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I see we are straying too much from the OP. But I MUST add that although you are probably correct with regard to the Catholic teaching on abortion, I admire any man (or woman) who has the moral capacity to create a new life for himself after his wife and child are killed in a car crash, as in the case of Joe Biden. Based on that courage alone, I would hardly call him “the lesser (man) of the two.”
 
meltzerboy said:
I see we are straying too much from the OP. But I MUST add that although you are probably correct with regard to the Catholic teaching on abortion, I admire any man (or woman) who has the moral capacity to create a new life for himself after his wife and child are killed in a car crash, as in the case of Joe Biden. Based on that courage alone, I would hardly call him “the lesser (man) of the two.”
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It is off topic, let’s make sure we remember, he doesn’t donate much to Charity if you go this route, would not be a good Catholic in many people’s eyes and is known for some very colorful language as well.

Now, I don’t know how much Ryan gives to charity but know he is faithful to his religion per a Bishop in his homestate of Wisconsin and believes life begins at conception.

Republicans in Wisconsin, Gov. Scott Walker have defunded Planned Parenthood. Now, even if you take the stance Democrats do on abortion, let’s remember, a woman died at the Planned Parenthood south of the State of Wisconsin in Illinois. Planned Parenthood is being sued for that, look into the case for the exact details.

One journalist quipped that supporters of Planned Parenthood as your Obamas and Bidens are, share a sort of blame in these kinds of deaths and here, again, we are not simply talking about abortion. Yet, this won’t be found in Paul Ryan’s state nor in his political views.

Thus, I would submit that Mr. Biden in supporting organizations like Planned Parenthood which to an extent even supports Infanticide. This is not moral. Yet, Paul Ryan stated in that debate with Vice President Biden that Ryan believes life begins at Conception.

So, again, the Democrat view to begin with is rather immoral.
 
meltzerboy said:
I see we are straying too much from the OP. But I MUST add that although you are probably correct with regard to the Catholic teaching on abortion, I admire any man (or woman) who has the moral capacity to create a new life for himself after his wife and child are killed in a car crash, as in the case of Joe Biden. Based on that courage alone, I would hardly call him “the lesser (man) of the two.”
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I’m lost as to what moral capacity is required to grieve a personal tragedy and move on with life. Millions do this every year. It doesn’t diminish the grief or the struggle but I don’t see how morals come into this at all. I just don’t see Biden as a man of principle. He has always been big on pandering and cronyism rather than leading. A total political animal who has never functioned in the real world. His squarely on both sides of the fence posture with respect to abortion and gay marriages demonstrates a man who is either poorly catechized or has made a political calculation. I suspect the latter. Like Ishii, I was astonished that anyone found his behavior at the debate anything more that bizarre. But again, probably political calculation, knowing that Ryan has tremendous command of the facts, he wouldn’t want to wade in that water. Instead, throw him off his game by a completely strange Joker-esque performance. Sadly I think it worked. Ryan, whom I have heard many times on the radio, is extremely polite and deferential to his elders. I think he had no idea how to respond to Biden’s mugging and cackling and utter strangeness.

I always figured the choice of Biden was life insurance for Obama and a non-threat to his control freakishness. Hillary (and Bill) would have been nipping at his heels the whole time.

One thing about those who are weak sisters, they appoint weak sisters. A’s appoint A’s and B’s appoint C’s. Biden has no impact, he’s just a spare part. Rice for example has proved to be a useful idiot, losing any hope of career advancement with the video story. Imagine John Bolton being told to go out on the Sunday shows and lie to protect Bush’s re-election chances! Don’t think that would have happened at all.

Lisa
 
livingwordunity said:
Democrats want all the conservative voters to give up so that nothing will stand in their way of fundamentally changing America.
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The republican party is sure helping the democrates out in this regards, can you say John MCain.
 
Obama and the Democrats have America wrapped up and delivered. The Benghazi scandal will not affect their vote in 2016.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
Obama and the Democrats have America wrapped up and delivered. The Benghazi scandal will not affect their vote in 2016.
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However, I can recall in the Reagan and Bush eras, the same was said regarding conservatism. Karl Rove was thought to be the mastermind puppeteer who controlled America. Times change and the pendulum shifts. Still, it does APPEAR for now that, with the change in ethnic demographics as well as the younger generation becoming voters, the conservative Republican Party has its work cut out for it.
 
meltzerboy said:
However, I can recall in the Reagan and Bush eras, the same was said regarding conservatism. Karl Rove was thought to be the mastermind puppeteer who controlled America. Times change and the pendulum shifts. Still, it does APPEAR for now that, with the change in ethnic demographics as well as the younger generation becoming voters, the conservative Republican Party has its work cut out for it.
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That’'s well and good if you want to believe this but to return to topic:

Republicans have easily the best Politician in the country Ted Cruz, he’s going to be a big game changer. I do thank you for a contribution that sounds like it could come from Debbie Wasserman Schultz…

Sen. John McCain Asserts Benghazi ‘Cover-Up’
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., this morning described the Obama administration’s handling of the Benghazi controversy as a “cover up,” following exclusive reporting by ABC News that showed the State Department was involved in editing the CIA’s Benghazi talking points used in the days after the attack on the American diplomatic compound in Libya last year.
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“I’d call it a cover-up,” McCain said this morning on “This Week.” “I would call it a cover-up in the extent that there was willful removal of information which was obvious.”
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McCain criticized White House spokesperson Jay Carney for his characterization of the edits to the talking points, which were eventually used by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice on five Sunday talks shows the weekend after the Benghazi attack.
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“For the president’s spokesman to say, that, ‘Well, there was only words or technical changes made in those emails’ is a flat-out untruth,” McCain said. “That’s just not acceptable.”
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