What does any of that have to do with the teaching of the Church and the mortality of the sin? If people left the Church in droves, it wouldn’t change the Truth. The fact that many priests don’t bother to be strong about these issues, also doesn’t change the Truth. Mortal sin is mortal sin. It separates you from Christ and leads to eternal damnation. If people are okay with that, then I don’t know what to say.
If it was about the truth and not about filling pews, then there’d be decisive action in the West with regards to this very issue.
Okay.
Are you saying you don’t believe the teaching is true because of this lack of decisive action, or are you complaining about the lack of action? I’m not clear.I’m saying that divorced, no annulment, re-married, birth control taking, 3 times a year Catholics are free to attend Church, never hear anything about " their mortal " sins and happily, blissfully and ignorantly partake of their apparently sacred Eucharist and they don’t have to worry about Christian special interest groups who fight against their lifestyle.Okay.
Why change the teaching when instead, just don’t mention it.
I think the point you’re missing is that priests and any Catholic for that matter, can not speculate about how the person next to them is sinning or going against Catholic teachings. That itself can be sinful. But someone that openly declares their sin, can be denied Eucharist. If someone practicing ABC publicly declares it, they too could find themselves being denied as the openly practicing homosexual.
Actually, school and parish closures preceded the clergy scandals. Not enough Catholics supporting the parishes and schools. My children and grandson went to an excellent parish school in Brooklyn, and it was abruptly closed at the end of a semester because of lack of funds and pupils. That really hurt because the school was so good, very Catholic, etc. But, when the parish is mostly old Italians, even assessing the parents to make up shortfalls wasn’t enough.
This thread is about contraception - not homosexual relations. Both are mortal sins though. The thread also isn’t about the denial of the Eucharist. Your charges of hypocrisy are boring and off-topic. There are plenty of threads about homosexuality. If that is what you are interested in, then take your anti-orthodox rants to one of those threads.
Are you trying to claim that the majority of Catholics who use birth control are ignorant of Church teaching on the subject? Seriously? That is pretty funny…
Nope, they’re well aware of the Church position. The Church is seemingly well pleased to have them fill Church seats and leave their envelopes before they leave.
How do you really know that though? Aren’t you generalizing? Have you polled every Catholic that uses ABC to say that for certain?
Don’t be too quick to laugh. Catechesis ain’t what it used to be.
I agree that catechesis is lacking in many places, but even non-Catholics know what the Church teaching is on birth control.
I doubt that any couple decides that they don’t want to be saved. They may know that the Church is opposed to ABC, but decide that they will use it anyway. Cafeteria Catholics perhaps - which would mean a lot of them - but there are those who don’t consider it a soul threatening action. Without any statistics to go by, I’d nevertheless think that Catholics who use ABC don’t consider it any more than venial sin. For if they really believed that it was a mortal sin and that they’re thereby hellbound, they’d not use it.
Which is kind of my entire point…WHY don’t the Priest tell them?
The difference, which can be deadly, is whether they have learned that it is a mortal sin and reject that, or if they are unaware. Deciding that something is a venial sin, when the Church teaches it’s not, does not save someone from the consequences.
And the woman gets pregnant by herself? The internet is currently the number one purveyor of pornography on the planet. Have you watched TV lately? Hook-up culture did not invent itself.
What is your point? A priest on Catholic Radio said too many Catholics are living like agnostics – not a good thing.
I was there when the Birth Control Pill manufacturers and the media launched their assault on Normal Human Sexuality in the late 1960s.
A clear warning was given by Pope Paul VI in 1968, but the Hippies, pornographers, topless bar owners, adult bookstore owners and the sellers of (now cool) illegal drugs did everything they could to drown out that message. Along with the head shops and underground newspapers and comix.
As the Baby Boomers got older and decided to contracept or send their kids to public schools because Catholic schools were too “expensive,” of course they would close.Actually, school and parish closures preceded the clergy scandals. Not enough Catholics supporting the parishes and schools. My children and grandson went to an excellent parish school in Brooklyn, and it was abruptly closed at the end of a semester because of lack of funds and pupils. That really hurt because the school was so good, very Catholic, etc. But, when the parish is mostly old Italians, even assessing the parents to make up shortfalls wasn’t enough.
Unlikely, I’d think. Who would say, “Well, it’s a mortal sin and we’re going to hell because of it, but no matter.”
Possibly.
More likely IMO that they’ve decided it’s a venial sin to start with. If they’ve had poor catechesis, how would they know that the sin is mortal even though they acknowledge that it’s a sin?