Did any Eastern Catholic churches cancel Divine Liturgies

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My parish in the eparchy of Parma has cancelled everything but Sunday liturgy, including Saturday liturgy, and bishop Milan has granted dispensations aside.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
It’s NOT bread any more but the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ under the appearance of Bread.
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Yes.

Mostly–for the melkites, it’s still bread dropping crumbs until it is dipped in the chalice.

And the problems isn’t bread crumbs, but exactly that these crumbs are Him.

also, for non-ruthenians (why does my spell check think that “nonmruthenians” is a word and change to it? 🤔 🤔) , all of the particles other than the 33 are still bread until added to the Cup.
 
dochawk said:
also, for non-ruthenians (why does my spell check think that “nonmruthenians” is a word and change to it? 🤔 🤔) , all of the particles other than the 33 are still bread until added to the Cup.
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Not for the UGCC!
 
dochawk said:
Many of the byzantine churches no longer use the Liturgy of St. James in practice (Pittsburgh doesn’t, for example), while in some of the churches where it is still authorized, few priests are trained for it and it rarely happens. I do want to attend it some day . . .
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Well, I only saw it once (and online at that). Bishop celebrated it and it was more of a rarity than standard practice. I think he was only Bishop who celebrated it in our nation anyway- some Priests might have done it (though I doubt that tbh) too but far from it being common.
dochawk said:
Now I’m going to have to hunt it down–my understanding is that this is one of the differences between UGCC and Ruthenian practice (with the Ruthenians being the odd ones out).
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I do think Slavic countries share Ruthenian practice… mostly because from my knowledge (which is not very high in this area), Slovaks practice it Ruthenian way but they look to Ukraine for most of their Liturgical practices. Hence I think there might be a chance Ruthenians and Ukrainians share the practice after all. Though I’ll keep watching your byzcath thread myself as I am curious too 😃
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
Apparently there was discussion of allowing communion in the hand during Byzantine Divine Liturgies and not distribute Precious Blood, but Bishops decided to stop them in the end.
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We partake of the same cup from the same spoon, Body and Blood…

No disease is ever communicated in that partaking…

Unto healing of soul and body…

geo

ps - And yes, we have a few parish sissies… 🙂
 
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George720 said:
We partake of the same cup from the same spoon, Body and Blood…

No disease is ever communicated in that partaking…
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Yup… from what i heard there was no disease spread by the cup in Byzantine Church for at least 1K years if not more…
 
dochawk said:
That would take additional gymnastics and liturgical change for non-Ruthenian byzantines: only the 33 commemorative particles are consecrated, with the rest picking up Divine Nature when added to the Blood . . . (Ruthenian practice consecrates everything).
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OK, help me out here… are you saying that non-Ruthenian Byzantine Divine Liturgies only consecrate 33 pieces of bread, and any other bread that happens to be on the paten (or whatever the word is) remains bread, but becomes the Body of Christ when it is mixed with the Precious Blood? And that in Ruthenian consecration, all of the bread on the paten, even crumbles that have fallen off when the bread was cut up before DL, becomes the Body of Christ?

My head is jangling right now like one of your Las Vegas slot machines when someone hits a jackpot! 🤯 🎰 🎰 🎰
 
OrbisNonSufficit said:
I think he was only Bishop who celebrated it in our nation anyway-
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historically, it’s generally been used for the Feast of St. James, and I think one other day that I never remember.
HomeschoolDad said:
OK, help me out here… are you saying that non-Ruthenian Byzantine Divine Liturgies only consecrate 33 pieces of bread, and any other bread that happens to be on the paten (or whatever the word is) remains bread, but becomes the Body of Christ when it is mixed with the Precious Blood?
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Yes.

But there is no “paten” as you know it.

We have a “monopod” on which the particles sit. And then the priest puts them into the cup. and uses a sponge (a real one, not synthetic) that is stored in his antimension to shape any bits.

We also fast from the Divine Liturgy during the week during Lent. As that was too harsh, it was relaxed somewhat, with a “Presanctified Liturgy” (interestingly, written by a Pope, Gregory the Great). In that case, some of the host is set aside on Sunday, and will be added not blessed wine, changing the nature of the wine (and more bread added to the wine).

Some priests get a bit carried away. It’s not like there would be more than a bit of staleness if It were simply left in a container in the tabernacle until Wednesday and Friday, but both hair driers and heat lamps are sometimes used . . . I have flashbacks of the old RC bit of Sr. Mary Holywater glaring and demanding, “Are you chewing God?”–but in all seriousness, these won’t dissolve in any realistic period (before liturgy is over), even given the Blood . . .

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HomeschoolDad said:
And that in Ruthenian consecration, all of the bread on the paten, even crumbles that have fallen off when the bread was cut up before DL, becomes the Body of Christ?
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Yes, but there generally won’t be any crumbles like that, as the particles are placed on the monopod, rather than being cut there. And any that did get in would get consumed with the blood, anyway (presumably by the deacon, but by the priest in his absence, and more often than is generally spoken about by an altar server if the priest’s stomach isn’t up to the quantity of remaining blood).

As I mentioned, our priest now uses precut (or we’d probably be calling him “nine”, or perhaps “eight” or even “seven” by now 😱 😝 🤣), but when I assisted a Melkite priest at an outreach liturgy here (but not with he particles to be consecrated!), I took a serious cut on my finger. He was using a very sharp bread knife and a wooden cutting board. (General byzantine practice would be a “lance”, such as
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Trust me, they’re sharp (back to my priest’s finger tip . . .)
HomeschoolDad said:
My head is jangling right now like one of your Las Vegas slot machines when someone hits a jackpot! 🤯 :s lot_machine: 🎰 🎰
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see, you’re catching on! 🤣 🤔 😝

There’s a reason that “byzantine” has it’s common secular meaning . . . we’re happy with mystery, and don’t need every last bit explained and nailed down, and like it this way.
 
I found out this morning that the Ruthenian parishes in Seattle and Olympia have canceled services.
 
Bishop Gregory of the Eparchy of St. Maron (for Maronite’s) sent out an email authorizing priests to administer communion in the hand to anyone who is concerned about receiving it in the mouth. He made it clear though this is not going to be a permanent change!
 
My parish, Greek Orthodox, has not, however, things like Sunday school, fellowship hour, etc., are cancelled until further notice.

ZP
 
dochawk said:
But there is no “paten” as you know it.

We have a “monopod” on which the particles sit.
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OK, thanks. I just didn’t know the word for it.
dochawk said:
As I mentioned, our priest now uses precut (or we’d probably be calling him “nine”, or perhaps “eight” or even “seven” by now 😱 😝 🤣), but when I assisted a Melkite priest at an outreach liturgy here (but not with he particles to be consecrated!), I took a serious cut on my finger. He was using a very sharp bread knife and a wooden cutting board. (General byzantine practice would be a “lance”, such as
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Trust me, they’re sharp (back to my priest’s finger tip . . .)
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I didn’t know they were that sharp, however, if you don’t want to create crumbs, that would only make sense.
 
I checked this morning.

My Eparchy (Phoenix) has a statement up, which after a general introduction about the times, starts with “if you are sick, stay home”, followed by the direction not to return until you have been symptom free for twenty-four hours.

A few temporary issues as well: reverent icons with a bow (we normally kiss them), no handshakes (or much other contact at all), clerical sign of peace by bow rather than embrace, anointing with a fresh cotton swab for each anointed (to be burned afterwards), and to with spoons at communion if it makes contact with saliva, tongue, or lips (also to be sterilized rather than normal cleansing after being set aside).

As I came out this morning, my wife was coughing, while my nose was running. We stayed put.
 
We are much like you - We all have the blessing to not go to Services, not to kiss the Priest’s hand, etc etc… Most of our Church has runny noses and some coughing… I suspect this is to activate our immune system for viruses… Vitamin D is a good idea… We are also disinfecting our commonly touched items with bleach water rags - A few tbsp’s per gallon of water - And will have a hand rinse outside using same stuff… And avoid touching as much as possible…

Strange times…

geo
 
oh, yes, missed that one on our list: permitting the fateful to kiss the priest’s hand is quite prohibited at the moment!
 
dochawk said:
permitting the fateful to kiss the priest’s hand is quite prohibited at the moment!
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Yes, the fate-full indeed! I kiss my Priest’s hand - AFTER all the rest, every time! If God wants me to have this virus, I WILL HAVE this virus! And if not, nothing I can do will give it to me… THAT is, you see, the poor man’s trump card - Not fatalism, but trust in God to do what is best for all… And if an octogenarian needs me to take care of him or her, I will go… Our parish worries about me getting it, and I do not have a blessing to get it and die…

Yet… 🙂 🙂

Our state is about to forbid gatherings of 50 or more… We may have to start doing drive-by Communion Services!

geo
 
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