Thats funny Peter goes from the keys to the kingdom to get thee behind me satan. Thats real convincing.How many churches did Jesus promise to build? (Hint: He told us in Matthew 16:19-19)
One Body. Good.
Oh…is it a visible body with structure and leadership or an invisible body made up of all believers regardless of denomination or doctrine?
Jericho777,If you are concerned about the word until being miss translated it is not. Its the Greek word eos and means until.
Mat 1:25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus
You can twist and turn all you want but the translation is accurate and means exactly what it infers.
Are you so blind that you can not read this verse or are you still doing your privat interpretation that is not condoned in the BibleTake care not to read into the Bble something that’s not there.
Dokimas,JPaul1953,
Let’s apply what you infer to other verses with the same Greek word and construction… Let’s see what they say usning your inference.
2193 = heos - till, until
Mt 1:25 and did not know her till <2193> she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS. Joseph never knew Mary in a complete way.
Mt 2:13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, “Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until <2193> I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.” Mary, Joseph and Jesus never left Egypt.
Mt 10:11 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till <2193> you go out. They never left those sities.
Mt 5:26 "Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till <2193> you have paid the last penny. After paying his debt, he stayed in jail.
Mt 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until <2193> the Son of Man is risen from the dead.” They never told of the vision.
Mt 23:39 “for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till <2193> you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’” They never saw and never will see Jesus again.
Mt 26:36 Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while <2193> I go and pray over there.” They never stood up and spent the rest of their days in Gethsemane sitting.
Jericho777,
Where in the Scriptures does it say that Mary had children other than Jesus Forget about your inability to see past your limited intellect… Obviously all the info we all get must come from separate Holy Spirits since very few us agree. (NOT) The Holy Spirit isn’t able to get through to those who don’t need his help, like you since your mind is already made up. The Holy Spirit couldn’t convince you of anything. Your mind is already shut on this matter as well as many others I’m sure.
Who are you to say your fallable response is right on target and all the members of Christ world during his time on earth and the next generation so heartily would say you are wrong…
Tell me. What’s the actual reason Jesus gave Mary to John and John to Mary. Don’t speculate like all the other non-believers. Give it to me straight from ther Scriptures.
jpaul1953
Dokimas,
As I ask Jericho, where in Scriptures does it say that mary had other children besides Jesus. Yes I know it says Jesus had Brothers and sisters, my brother, but where does it say other children say the Jesus’ mom is their mom. WHERE! PLEASE SHOW ME.
I bet you can’t
jpaul1953
Broken record and still a reading into a verse record.Hear is what the bible has to say in Zech 12-10 it precdicks the Messiah will be an only child
Dokimas, if you do believe the bible so be it, its not my lost but it may be yourBroken record and still a reading into a verse record.
What?Dokimas, if you do believe the bible so be it, its not my lost but it may be your
Dokimas I know how canfused you get but how can you take a simly bible verse and get that interrpretation is that the Gospel accoring to DokimasWhat?
to say until is just to emphasize that it was a virgin birth.You are correct it doesn’t say that Mary had other children. However, according to Matthew 1:25 Joseph and Mary did not concumate their marriage until Jesus was born; putting that together with the verses that speak of the sibblings of Jesus, I’d guess it’s logical to assume Mary had other children.
While we’re on the subject of ‘prove it from the Bible’ where does it say Mary remained a virgin until her death, taking into account the Matthew 1 passage says she only remained a virgin until Jesus was born?
Most people believe Mary was a virgin until after the crucifixion"cathloic do not" soif all is true Jesus was 33 years old and we think Mary was between 14 and 18 so lets see Mary be 47 or 51 is not to old to be having children,do you think a person at age 47 is still tYou are correct it doesn’t say that Mary had other children. However, according to Matthew 1:25 Joseph and Mary did not concumate their marriage until Jesus was born; putting that together with the verses that speak of the sibblings of Jesus, I’d guess it’s logical to assume Mary had other children.
While we’re on the subject of ‘prove it from the Bible’ where does it say Mary remained a virgin until her death, taking into account the Matthew 1 passage says she only remained a virgin until Jesus was born?
Dokimas,Do you think you need the Holy Spirit when you have the CC?
Questioning anothers intellect may say more about you than the one’s intellect you are questioning. Not very kind or loving on your part.
The reason John was given charge to protect Mary was because, Jesus as the elder Son, had the responsibility for His mother in the absence of her husband. Jesus, knowing what’s best, did what was correct for His mother. Quite simple and straighforward. So simple even a mental light weight like me can understand. Seems the wisdom of God is the wisdom of great intellects, but lightweights.
Dokimas,You are correct it doesn’t say that Mary had other children. However, according to Matthew 1:25 Joseph and Mary did not concumate their marriage until Jesus was born; putting that together with the verses that speak of the sibblings of Jesus, I’d guess it’s logical to assume Mary had other children.
While we’re on the subject of ‘prove it from the Bible’ where does it say Mary remained a virgin until her death, taking into account the Matthew 1 passage says she only remained a virgin until Jesus was born?
Meaning that as early as the end of the first century those members of the Way (also called Christians) had begun to refer to their church as the universal or catholic church.Meaning ‘universal’???
Actually, it is. Peter’s human failings provide evidence that the Catholic Church is of God and not of man.Thats funny Peter goes from the keys to the kingdom to get thee behind me satan. Thats real convincing.
Think of them as seven congregations all part of the one Church. For example, I attend St. Andrew Catholic Church. Not far from my home are St. Michael Catholic Church and St. Bernadette Catholic Church. These are not separate “churches” in the big sense of the word, but they are distinct groups within the one Church. Thyatira and Laodicea were not independent, autonomous bodies of believers; they were local churches just like the dioceses and parishes of the Catholic Church today.There are still 7 seperate churches mentioned in Rev.
Well, let’s see…the Church is organized and has organizational structure … hmmm … yeah, it must be an organization.The church in Rome is an organization and does reflect the greater body. The body is made up of individual believers brought together to help each other and share the gospel with the world. There are Catholics in the body but it is not an organization.
Matthew 1:24-25: Until she brought forth a sonYou are correct it doesn’t say that Mary had other children. However, according to Matthew 1:25 Joseph and Mary did not concumate their marriage until Jesus was born;
Dokimas-putting that together with the verses that speak of the sibblings of Jesus, I’d guess it’s logical to assume Mary had other children
The latter part of your question was addressed above. As for the former portion, this is not stated explicitly in the Bible (I could make a case for implicit reference); however, a close reading of scripture actually suggests the opposite of what you believe, ancient writings of early Christians show that they believed Mary remained ever-virgin, the Church declared this to be the case in the sixth century, and the Protestant reformers such as Luther and Calvin believed Mary remained virginal.While we’re on the subject of ‘prove it from the Bible’ where does it say Mary remained a virgin until her death, taking into account the Matthew 1 passage says she only remained a virgin until Jesus was born?
The implications of the text are very clear. A plain and simply reading shows this. We have to go deeper into the Greek because you don’t believe the engilsh.to say until is just to emphasize that it was a virgin birth.
plus your looking to deep into the english, the greek manuscript does not imply that they had sex after christs birth