Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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lynnvinc said:
One of the best news sources, which we always watch is Democracy Now! (which is available on-line, if you can’t get it on your TV).

The others, as you say, are not that good – mainly because they are corporate media and have to dance to the tune of their sponsors.
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Democracy Now is excellent. And it’s free.
 
Sojourner003 said:
And I would surmise that your world view depends on your news sources. What are they?
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Online, talk radio, Immaculate Heart Radio, a few paranormal radio shows for entertainment sometimes. Radio is way easier because I can multitask and stay updated.
 
Michael68 said:
Online, talk radio, Immaculate Heart Radio, a few paranormal radio shows for entertainment sometimes. Radio is way easier because I can multitask and stay updated.
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I love listening, too. What do you listen to online and talk radio?
 
lynnvinc said:
I guess I wasn’t clear. There were some embarrassing truths re the DNC – like how they did wrong things to help Hillary and hurt Bernie in the primaries, etc. But in addition to that the Russians also spread some exaggerations and lies about Hillary.

So it was both true things that were not meant to be revealed (and were), and some false things.

I guess if they had been against Trump and had been able to get his tax returns and emails that he deleted re a court case he was in (and the judge had ordered he release those to the court), then that may have hurt Trump. Perhaps. I guess we’ll never know.

However, there are some neg things about Trump that are fairly well known they could have used if they had wanted to do a cyber-blitz against him.
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Trump ran on a dozen or so issues that resonated with voters.

I wrote this before the election:

Trump ALWAYS talks about the basic issues:

Keep visualizing the porous border, no more NRA. and much higher taxes.
  1. Supreme Court Justices … left wing appointees would permanently tilt the United States to the left.
  2. Southern Border is porous … right now there is no one stopping the flood of undocumented people AND HEROIN entering the United States. Hillary believes in open borders. Her good friend and supporter, George Soros is a firm supporter of open borders. Trump has been endorsed by Border Patrol and ICE. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  3. The U. S. tax structure is the worst in the developed world. High tax rates discourage investment in jobs and facilities.
  4. Veterans are getting terrible treatment from the Veterans Administration. Trump has a many years record and reputation of actively supporting veterans.
  5. U.S. Foreign Policy is a disaster. [Most recent example: $400 $1200+ MILLION in CASH flown to Iran under conditions of secrecy. If it was legitimate, they would do an electronic transfer. And that’s just the latest.]
  6. Radical Islamic Terrorism is uncontested.
  7. Second Amendment. Gun control only controls law abiding citizens. Inner city crime and gang crime and black-on-black crime is/are epidemic. Getting worse and worse.
  8. The economy. Record numbers of people on food stamps. People forced into part-time work owing to restrictions by government controlled medical legislation. Make participation in government controlled medical to be optional: if you can find a better and/or cheaper plan then take it.
  9. Restrictions on religion. Freedom of Worship instead of freedom of religion. Mandatory Islam lessons in schools [as now in places] [Example: Why should the Little Sisters of the Poor be forced to purchase contraception?] [Example: Why should someone who posted dissection of aborted babies be prosecuted? Remember David Daleiden.] … read p37 0f the DNC platform.
demconvention.com/wp-con…6-no-lines.pdf
  1. Education: The United States ranks around 27th in math. WHY??? Cursive handwriting is being removed ! Education SHOULD be controlled by states and communities … there should be NO Federal control over education. Trump encourages inner city charter schools. Especially for African American students to improve their educational results. Inner city graduation rates and reading performance are terrible. See “Con Job”, below.
  2. U.S. Military is not being kept up to date. Navy is behind in technology and numbers and readiness. Aircraft are kept going using parts from the boneyard instead of buying new stuff. Troops are not training enough. Focus is on social changes instead of on training.
  3. Continued inner city collapse. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants were born to single mothers. In 2013, 72 percent of black infants were born to single mothers. Source: page 157, “Con Job” by Crystal Wright. “Con Job – How Democrats Gave Us Crime, Sanctuary Cities, Abortion Profiteering, and Racial Division”. Crystal Wright’s Web site is www.conservativeblackchick.com
Police are being targeted by Black Lives Matter and BLM leadership visits the White House and is entertained by the current President. George Soros puts up money for BLM.

Chicago is only one example of inner city murder skyrocketing.
  1. “Clinton Cash” … How did Hillary Clinton, who was Secretary of State, turn a modest government salary into personal assets of around $300,000,000.
  2. Haiti:
Speaking of Secretary Clinton, she has been involved in Haiti since at least 2010 … we have a thread here on Catholic Answers Forums about that in 2010 … , and yet with all the billions, there have been NO IMPROVEMENTS … Hurricanes come and go, and yet the situation of the people of Haiti does not improve. You would think that by now, Secretary Clinton would have made some basic improvements … you know drainage to carry hurricane rains away and paved roads and some actual drinkable water and houses made of something better than cardboard.

But, no.

Do you want your neighborhood controlled by large numbers of military-age unvetted men? Who are officially considered as refugees?

So, decide what is more important.

These dozen or so issues discussed by a non-politician who built up a company with more than 20,000 employees and his own Boeing 757 airliner he uses for travel and a lifetime of anonymous philanthropy. OR free college from a career politician who has a history of doing nothing for 30 years.
 
Trump won 2623 counties to 489 for Clinton.

Clinton won California by 4.2 million votes and New York by 1.6 million, meaning that across 48 of the 50 states, Trump was the victor by about 3 million votes in the popular vote. Including New York, he was the popular vote winner by more than a million votes.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Trump won 2623 counties to 489 for Clinton.
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Number of counties is no more representative of number of people than the number of states was. Counties very greatly in the number of people. They are generally designed to have similar area.
Clinton won California by 4.2 million votes and New York by 1.6 million, meaning that across 48 of the 50 states, Trump was the victor by about 3 million votes in the popular vote. Including New York, he was the popular vote winner by more than a million votes.
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Cherry-picking New York and California.
 
lynnvinc said:
However, there are some neg things about Trump that are fairly well known they could have used if they had wanted to do a cyber-blitz against him.
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What negative things could the Russians have said that the mainstream media did not?

On the assumption that the Russians really did hack the DNC emails, what other specific things did the Russians do to affect the outcome of the election?

Yes, the disclosures revealed the DNC bias against Sanders and the anti-Catholicism of the Dem party. But I think most of the people who cared about those revelations were anti-Clinton anyway.
 
Ridgerunner said:
On the assumption that the Russians really did hack the DNC emails, what other specific things did the Russians do to affect the outcome of the election?

Yes, the disclosures revealed … the anti-Catholicism of the Dem party. But I think most of the people who cared about those revelations were anti-Clinton anyway.
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It may be true that you had to be inclined against the Democrats to conjure up the idea that the emails actually showed this. But the point of misinformation campaigns, with the spinning and bot amplification of the factoid is to solidify the idea, however phony, and turn inclination into firm opposition.
 
dvdjs said:
It may be true that you had to be inclined against the Democrats to conjure up the idea that the emails actually showed this. But the point of misinformation campaigns, with the spinning and bot amplification of the factoid is to solidify the idea, however phony, and turn inclination into firm opposition.
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Get ready to hear more about bots! They just can’t stand it that she lost!!!
 
Michael68 said:
Get ready to hear more about bots! They just can’t stand it that she lost!!!
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Your decision to take comfort in that tired idea is your choice. Most folk would like to investigate and take measures to reduce the influence of foreign governments, especially adversarial ones, in our elections. Curiously this is no unanimous; some do put perceived party advantage over national security.
 
dvdjs said:
Your decision to take comfort in that tired idea is your choice. Most folk would like to investigate and take measures to reduce the influence of foreign governments, especially adversarial ones, in our elections. Curiously this is no unanimous; some do put perceived party advantage over national security.
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Yes, of course this is why you’re doing it! Keep telling yourself that and one day even you might believe it!
 
Michael68 said:
Online, talk radio, Immaculate Heart Radio, a few paranormal radio shows for entertainment sometimes. Radio is way easier because I can multitask and stay updated.
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Careful man. You don’t want to create an environment where you only listen to/read things you already agree. That’s basically the same thing college students in need of “Safe Spaces” do: cocoon themselves in a bubble because they can’t stand to hear something they don’t agree with.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Trump has a many years record and reputation of actively supporting veterans.
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As a vet I’ve never really bought the idea that Donald Trump has an amazing record of supporting the military. It seems to be based mostly on him saying, “I like the military.”

I do know that during Vietnam he mysteriously developed bone spurs when his educational deferments ran out and it looked like he might be drafted. Interestingly, these bone spurs never prevented him from playing sports, and they mysteriously healed without surgery after the Vietnam War was over. Interesting timing…

And as a side note, I think people trash the VA too much. They really do have a huge task and they’re not always well funded.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Careful man. You don’t want to create an environment where you only listen to/read things you already agree. That’s basically the same thing college students in need of “Safe Spaces” do: cocoon themselves in a bubble because they can’t stand to hear something they don’t agree with.
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Don’t worry dude! I get the liberal MSM slant at the top and bottom of every hour!!! 😃
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
As a vet I’ve never really bought the idea that Donald Trump has an amazing record of supporting the military. It seems to be based mostly on him saying, “I like the military.”

I do know that during Vietnam he mysteriously developed bone spurs when his educational deferments ran out and it looked like he might be drafted. Interestingly, these bone spurs never prevented him from playing sports, and they mysteriously healed without surgery after the Vietnam War was over. Interesting timing…

And as a side note, I think people trash the VA too much. They really do have a huge task and they’re not always well funded.
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Thank You for your service! 👍👍👍👍
 
Michael68 said:
Thank You for your service! 👍👍👍👍
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Thanks. 🙂 Always makes me mildly uncomfortable to bring it up because I don’t like vets who try to use their service to get attention. And, of course, there are plenty of people who did more than I did. Even when you’re deployed, there’s always someone who is in a worse spot than you.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Thanks. 🙂 Always makes me mildly uncomfortable to bring it up because I don’t like vets who try to use their service to get attention. And, of course, there are plenty of people who did more than I did. Even when you’re deployed, there’s always someone who is in a worse spot than you.
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I kinda know what you mean. My grandfather was at D day +5 and he always downplayed that because he was a clerk. He was, like you, a Hero!
 
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