Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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You ignore the FACT that it wasn’t just e-mail… it was TOP SECRET/Classified communication that was NOT to BE exposed to outside influence… And still YOU would want to trust her with our Nations Secrets. How about our nations resources (uranium-that’s used for???) since she facilitated a 20% exchange with Russia??? And how about Bengazi? I watched the hearings and the news media said NOTHING NEW… not NOTHING SERIOUSLY WRONG-- just NOTHING NEW… did you watch the testimonies of the guys who were THERE??? THEN did you judge her behavior or the administrations’ behavior blaming it on a VIDEO when Hil herself told her DAUGHTER it was Terrorism???
Again, sorry but I really don’t buy whatever you’re referring to.

RE the private server – it seemed to me that may have even been safer (for one, bec people didn’t know she was using a private server until that got revealed…which put an end to it) than gov servers, which are hacked into; let’s not forget they hacked the CIA. Since other officials had also used private servers or email accounts without being criticized for it, I just don’t have any problem with Hillary having used one and am with Comey at the most – that is was careless and reckless, but no harm done. And I’m dead certain Hillary would have learned a bitter lesson not to use it going forward – so I had NO fear of that. Even Bernie Sanders said it was much ado about nothing. Anyone who says otherwise is getting their info from bizarro fake-news media (that probably also says climate change is a hoax).

RE Benghazi: The Republicans slashed the funds for the State Dept, which made Embassies and US outposts around the world less secure. I remember reading about that well before Benghazi. They had to shift funds to where they thought they were needed, which at best is a guessing game. Everyone, including Ambassador Stevens, thought the Libyans were positive toward the US, having helped in freeing them – and that was mostly right. They perhaps should have known there would be some small faction there that were against the US. No one really knew who was behind the attack in the beginning. There was all sorts of speculation – terrorism? disaffected faction that hated Qaddafi’s overthrow? Muslim mob angry at that video (which had caused riots elsewhere in the Islamic world)? It takes time to figure out such causes. I praise Hillary for saying, “I take responsibility. I’m in charge of the State Department’s 60,000-plus people all over the world, 275 posts,” and condemn the Republicans for cutting State Dept funding. And now they’re drastically cutting it even further, bec they want more Benghazis ?? Trump would never ever take responsibility for anything; he always blames it (or deflects his own faults) on others.
…***AS far as the Right Wing Media, did you watch the Left Wing MEdia? …
We only watched ABC news at that time.

Since about 2015 we found a really great news source that covers more stories (no tabloid stuff or fluff) and covers them well, with great integrity – Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman on Free Speech TV. It pretty much criticizes both Republicans and Democrats for bad things they do. It did not favor Hillary during the election, even after the primaries; it did seem to favor Bernie Sanders during the primaries.

Now since Feb of this year, in addition to watching ABC News and Democracy Now!, we are also watching MSNBC, esp Rachel Maddow. And I have to praise the media for doing a lot of the investigative work…the way the media uncovered the Watergate scandal.

MSNBC, as you would say, is a somewhat left-leaning channel, but nevertheless beholden to the corporations that sponsor it. As with other corporate media they don’t mention climate change hardly at all – which to me it THE really big issue and elephant in the room, that among other terrible things has contributed to the Arab Spring and problems (droughts and their knock-on effects) in Syria and Libya. But unlike Fox at least ABC and MSNBC do not claim anthropogenic climate change is a hoax; they just simply ignore it, mentioning it a few minutes each year…as it gets worse and worse. I would never believe or watch a channel that denies CC.
 
Really? Like what?

btw, I already know you won’t give an answer but could some of you haters just at least try to give an answer. We have evidence the Democrats interfered, influenced and meddled in the election, yet strangly, no one can give any evidence Russia did.
  1. I have provided links to several articles that lay out the methods of Russian intervention disclosed thus far.
  2. By comparing Obama’s open remarks on Brexit, with the details disclosed on Russian intervention, the vast difference is obvious.
  3. On the matter of Israel, the so-called intervention widely disseminated in alt-media is known to be fake. I assume that JonNC has something else on his mind, but await specifics.
  4. Calling people “haters” needs to stop,
 
  1. I have provided links to several articles that lay out the methods of Russian intervention disclosed thus far.
  2. By comparing Obama’s open remarks on Brexit, with the details disclosed on Russian intervention, the vast difference is obvious.
  3. On the matter of Israel, the so-called intervention widely disseminated in alt-media is known to be fake. I assume that JonNC has something else on his mind, but await specifics.
  4. Calling people “haters” needs to stop,
Well, hater, all you have ever posted or any of you ever post is just speculation that is copied and pasted. We continue to ask for evidence, not speculation.
See, with Susan Rice and Evelyn Farkhas and now Carter Page, there is evidence that the Democrats interfered, influenced, or meddled in our election.
 
LOL really? You just like to make stuff up. Really, no one in the Obama administration said that that the Trump team was not surveilled? Care to reconsider your statement? Can you tell me who those guys on TV denying surveillance were? You haters seem to forget we have TVs too!
Amusing how you went from “no one” to no one on “the Trump team”. I suppose that could also mean “no one on the Trump team who was not already long under suspicion for activites propr to the campaign of work with Russian spies”.

As some have noted in the thread, Comey was very specific in his testimony. He repudiated Trump’s claims - which were specific to time and place, to him personally, and to connection to the election. He did not make a blanket statement.

I am happy to consider specifics of comments by Obama administration officials when you finally get around to providing specifics. Post a link.
 
Amusing how you went from “no one” to no one on “the Trump team”. I suppose that could also mean “no one on the Trump team who was not already long under suspicion for activites propr to the campaign of work with Russian spies”.

As some have noted in the thread, Comey was very specific in his testimony. He repudiated Trump’s claims - which were specific to time and place, to him personally, and to connection to the election. He did not make a blanket statement.

I am happy to consider specifics of comments by Obama administration officials when you finally get around to providing specifics. Post a link.
Oh, still stuck on “wire tap” I see. Going any further with you is an exercise in futility
 
What did they do to interfere with the election? We know that no votes were tampered with, no voting machines hacked, no voter fraud caused by Russians.
Did they do more than Obama did to interfere in Israel or Brexit?
I don’t know the full range of what they did, which is why the Senate and the FBI are investigating. What I do know is that every single person to seriously look into it, including many prominent administration figures like the Secretary of State, has concluded that the Russians interfered in the election. At this point experts and politicians from every political point of view are in agreement, which says something.
 
Well, hater, all you have ever posted or any of you ever post is just speculation that is copied and pasted. We continue to ask for evidence, not speculation.
See, with Susan Rice and Evelyn Farkhas and now Carter Page, there is evidence that the Democrats interfered, influenced, or meddled in our election.
What evidence do you have against Rice? or Farkas?
What evidence do you have linking “Democrats” to Carter Page?
How is that evidence different from what you call speculation?
 
I have already said this, to you also, that I do this from a phone and can’t link or else there would not be so many Trump hating threads! 😉
 
Nope you implied it. That’s where most of you are stuck. We have moved on to hopefully criminal preceedings this time.
Nope. You made it up.
We know that the FBI is working on the Russian interference and collusion with them by members of the Trump team. I assume that that is where you expect criminal proceedings.
 
What evidence do you have against Rice? or Farkas?
What evidence do you have linking “Democrats” to Carter Page?
How is that evidence different from what you call speculation?
Don’t play stupid. You look silly
 
…4. Calling people “haters” needs to stop.
I agree. I don’t hate Trump…at least as a Christian I strive really hard not to. But I do hate much of what he is doing, esp dismantling US gov efforts (modest tho they were) to mitigate climate change & other env harms and encouraging more use of fossil fuels for our energy needs. (Was happy to hear the Ford CEO say that despite Trump lowering CAFE standards (or getting rid of the planned increases) they were continuing with increasing fuel efficiency, EVs, and less polluting transportation modes for mega-cities of the near future.)

Gandhi said hate the sin, love the sinner (he was impacted by Christianity). So I very much hate the wrong Trump is doing, and would find it a lot easier to like him, if he were to change.

I do like Ivanka and Melania – they seem to be right (in my books) on many issues – and I hope they have more of a good influence on helping him to do good and avoid bad. Since he was not bought and paid for by corporations funding his campaign (even tho he is invested in many of them), he does not have to dance to their tunes but could just decide to turn around and do the right thing. Being against abortion and the TPP are great things I like about him.

My prayers are with the President, even tho as a comedian put it, it’s hard for a 70 year old man to change. I also pray that he himself was not involved in this Russia thing, and that whoever was involved, if any, (maybe ?? Flynn, Page, and Manafort ??) are now all gone from the scene.
 
Please put up your “evidence”.
You first. I’ve been waiting for months and months for your so-called evidence. Everyone is aware that Trump was vindicated. Evidence! He and his team were surveilled! True and evidence. Bernie Sanders never had a chance and Dems now admit that. Evelyn Farkhas telling everyone to gather as much intel on Trump and his folks as they could. Evidence of interference is all on the Democrats!
 
…an exercise you apparently enjoy, since you did go further.
You only wish I would stop! You people are getting so ridiculous with this while ignoring real evidence because it was your side that did it. Outrageous
 
I have already said this, to you also, that I do this from a phone and can’t link or else there would not be so many Trump hating threads! 😉
  1. look up whatever site you are interested in sharing
  2. carefully write down the address on a piece of paper using a pen, pencil, or crayon
  3. double check that you have every character correctly written down in the right order
  4. sign back in to CAF and go to the forum you are interested in and would like others to gain knowledge from the site you just wrote down
  5. click post reply and type in an explanation of why you are sharing the site
  6. carefully type the address you wrote down. double check it
  7. submit reply
You now know how to share links from a phone
 
  1. look up whatever site you are interested in sharing
  2. carefully write down the address on a piece of paper using a pen, pencil, or crayon
  3. double check that you have every character correctly written down in the right order
  4. sign back in to CAF and go to the forum you are interested in and would like others to gain knowledge from the site you just wrote down
  5. click post reply and type in an explanation of why you are sharing the site
  6. carefully type the address you wrote down. double check it
  7. submit reply
You now know how to share links from a phone
Thanks sally. I thought that that was obvious, but now, no more excuses from the no-evidence crowd.
 
You first. I’ve been waiting for months and months for your so-called evidence. Everyone is aware that Trump was vindicated. Evidence! He and his team were surveilled! True and evidence. Bernie Sanders never had a chance and Dems now admit that. Evelyn Farkhas telling everyone to gather as much intel on Trump and his folks as they could. Evidence of interference is all on the Democrats!
Now that it has been explained to you how to provide your sources, “everyone” is waiting for your evidence.
 
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