Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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mwigs said:
If the Russians were out to get Hillary why did they waste resources hacking the DNC which undoubtedly had a pretty good firewall when they could spend those same resources hacking Hillary’s insecure email server and get even more damaging information?

Assuming they did waste resources hacking the DNC, how did they force the Democrats to write such incriminating emails about collusion to screw Bernie, about media types colluding with Hillary about questions to ask Trump, about anti-Catholic bigotry, and so forth? Sinners who refuse to be accountable must always find someone to blame. ‘It was that woman you gave me’, said Adam while Eve blamed the snake.

Why wasn’t the Russia hack BIG HEADLINE NEWS before the election? It was under the Obama watch. Why only after the electoral votes?
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Somehow everybody was supposed to do what would have been favorable for Clinton to win the election…Clinton really thought she deserved the office…
People voted for Trump not because of the Russians secret doings or the fact that WikiLeaks was doing its thing and was leaking into, even though in itself such events prove an ineffective administration. What was in those leaks confirmed what people thought about Clinton, and her previous scandals were far bigger. If there would have been some sort of Russian interference in election Democrats would have speculated right away. It is only a narrative supported by Democrats supporters in the Intel agencies. Lucky Trump they thought they were going to win and all they were able to produce in a short time was the “dossier”…🙂
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Well, that depends on your political view. One view is that the damage is we have a government thrown into chaos by a President who does not know how to be a President, making misstep after misstep, we have lost faith in our government, the rule of law, and the electoral process. We have lost the respect of the rest of the world.
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Speak for yourself! And add “imo”
 
St_Francis said:
Was that the Pizzagate thing? I *thought *that was really weird…
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That was weird, but this particular fake news was a story of a man who found was said to have found a ballot boxes pre-stuffed for HRC before the election in a warehouse in OH.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=1044292

I found that it has been posted here and affirmed in part of a post-election thread in which posters were denying that HRC won the popular vote.
 
There is a report regarding regarding allies of Hillary Clinton working with officials from the Ukranian government in regards to researching detrimental information on Trump aides and Donald Trump itself and that the Ukrainian government officials disseminated information that was damaging to an aide of Trump: politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Even if Russia was involved in some effort to impact the US 2016 election, if this report is true and Ukrainian government officials did what the article claims and that allies of Hillary Clinton were working with these officials from the Ukrainian government, any effort that Russia may have had, may have been cancelled out by the influence of Ukrainian government officials in the election.

By the way, there is an interesting article on LA Times website with the title, ‘The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries’

According to this article, outside the USA, Dov Levin says the US has interfered in elections ‘81 times’: latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

There are claims that the State Department under President Obama tried to interfere in the 2015 election in Israel: townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/12/16/flashback-that-time-the-obama-administration-spent-hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars-to-defeat-benjamin-netanyahu-n2260711

If Russia or or Ukraine interfered in the 2016 US election that would be wrong, but the USA does not have an innocent history when it comes to interfering in elections in other countries.
 
Michael68 said:
Speak for yourself! And add “imo”
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Originally Posted by LeafByNiggle View Post
Well, that depends on your political view. One view is that the damage is we have a government thrown into chaos by a President who does not know how to be a President, making misstep after misstep, we have lost faith in our government, the rule of law, and the electoral process. We have lost the respect of the rest of the world.
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I think that it is fair to call that “one view”; it is not narrowly held.
 
_Abyssinia said:
There is a report regarding regarding allies of Hillary Clinton working with officials from the Ukranian government in regards to researching detrimental information on Trump aides and Donald Trump itself and that the Ukrainian government officials disseminated information that was damaging to an aide of Trump: politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Even if Russia was involved in some effort to impact the US 2016 election, if this report is true and Ukrainian government officials did what the article claims and that allies of Hillary Clinton were working with these officials from the Ukrainian government, any effort that Russia may have had, may have been cancelled out by the influence of Ukrainian government officials in the election.

By the way, there is an interesting article on LA Times website with the title, ‘The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries’

According to this article, outside the USA, Dov Levin says the US has interfered in elections ‘81 times’: latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

There are claims that the State Department under President Obama tried to interfere in the 2015 election in Israel: townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/12/16/flashback-that-time-the-obama-administration-spent-hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars-to-defeat-benjamin-netanyahu-n2260711

If Russia or or Ukraine interfered in the 2016 US election that would be wrong, but the USA does not have an innocent history when it comes to interfering in elections in other countries.
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What a mixed bag of things you speak of at once. I think you should be more careful lest it seem like you are making false equivalences, but welcome your conclusion that that Russia’s interference is wrong.
 
Do the democrats really think they are helping our country with all the chaos, finger pointing, name calling, scheming they are doing? What kind of leaders are Pelosi and
Schumer showing themselves to be? I will throw John McCain in with them. Why can’t
everyone get behind the president and work together for the good of the country?
If I were a registered democrat today, I wouldn’t be able to run fast enough to distance
myself from this party. Maxine Waters is another one. How do these people get elected??!!
 
Its still funny!

Electoral College Vote----100% verified

Popular Vote-----Not so much
 
How can you claim Russia interfered, yet you claim you won the popular vote? Where is this massive interference?
Really! We won the poular vote, we won the popular vote. Russia interfered and we got less votes, wait, we won the popular vote because Russia intefered and we got less votes but won the popular vote!

Insanity
 
Michael68 said:
How can you claim Russia interfered, yet you claim you won the popular vote? Where is this massive interference?
Really! We won the poular vote, we won the popular vote. Russia interfered and we got less votes, wait, we won the popular vote because Russia intefered and we got less votes but won the popular vote!

Insanity
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Very insane!:confused:
 
7_Sorrows said:
Do the democrats really think they are helping our country with all the chaos, finger pointing, name calling, scheming they are doing? What kind of leaders are Pelosi and
Schumer showing themselves to be? I will throw John McCain in with them. Why can’t
everyone get behind the president and work together for the good of the country?
If I were a registered democrat today, I wouldn’t be able to run fast enough to distance
myself from this party. Maxine Waters is another one. How do these people get elected??!!
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This is very interesting, because now no matter what promise they make it will be clearly unachievable because of the illegal immigrants. If anybody who is able to go around the border guys is welcomed with opened arms, then the money for healthcare, welfare, education will be a problem. Also money for police and prisons. Add the politics that allows companies to go in Mexico for example do the production there, then sell in USA with no taxes, probably they pay far less taxes in USA if any, they do not pay workers or other any subcontractors, but they get the money from sales…This is like letting blood out of a body…

Who in the world is going to believe them no matter what they say?
Here is one of the tactic of the dictators: find an external opponent, present him as one who is working against the country and therefore it must be fight against. Then accuse anybody from opposition as an ally or agent of that enemy country and discredit and then eliminate that person at least from the political arena…This is one of the tactics of the dictators in the middle East. Ex North Korea needs the enmity of USA to perpetuate the terror regime…

Now they use it in USA against Trump!
 
After the investigation into allegations of improper interference in the election from the Russians are they going to move on to investigating CNN and CBS over the same issue?
 
7_Sorrows said:
Do the democrats really think they are helping our country with all the chaos, finger pointing, name calling, scheming they are doing? What kind of leaders are Pelosi and
Schumer showing themselves to be? I will throw John McCain in with them. Why can’t
everyone get behind the president and work together** for the good of the country**?
If I were a registered democrat today, I wouldn’t be able to run fast enough to distance
myself from this party. Maxine Waters is another one. How do these people get elected??!!
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I’ve enlarged what I consider to be the key phrase. Not all of us are as convinced as you seem to be that President Trump’s agenda is for the good of the country. I see this country starting to move in the wrong direction. Trump’s proposed budget guts the social safety net in favor of increased military spending. I see important financial and environmental regulations threatened in the interest of Wall Street and big business. I could go on, but you see that from my perspective, those of us who oppose what we see as wrong with the plans of the current administration are also acting for the good of the country.

As far as the investigation of Russian meddling goes, I am waiting to see how much interaction, cooperation or complicity there may, or may not have been by members of Trump’s campaign team.
 
7_Sorrows said:
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And we need to ask if Obama and the democrats interfered with the last Israeli elections and
was that acceptable?

Why aren’t they investigating George Soros?
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Not only that, but also the FACT that the Russians have been attempting to interfere in the United States for 100 years … or more … if you include the Socialists who lost political wars in Europe in 1848 and emigrated to the U.S.

Read: " Lincoln’s Marxists" by Al Benson Jr. & Walter Kennedy. There are several books on this subject.

On Amazon books, there are dozens of books written by retired Russian spies. Start with “Spymaster” by Tennent H. Bagley.

We need to exercise more pushback.

Read “Victory!” by Peter Schweizer about how Reagan finally organized and carried out a concerted and coordinated plan that defeated the Russians.

The Russians are not our friends … and they never have been.

[So, how did the Clintons manage to sell Russia 20% of American uranium and pocket $140 million … by making speeches. And they say Trump doesn’t read! But you can read the book he recommended: “Clinton Cash”. The Russians already own Clinton. Not to mention how Clinton received illegal campaign contributions from China and sent Loral to fix their ICBM rockets.]
 
lynnvinc said:
Some links re this topic:

“Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections” at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

“FBI Director Comey’s FULL Testimony On Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election” at youtube.com/watch?v=FlKMELRxP9Q

“Independent investigation into Russian interference needed” at thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/325388-independent-investigation-into-russian-interference-needed
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If the Russians did interfere in the election they were ineffective.

As evidenced by the caterwauling about the Electoral College and the subsequent calls for impeachment, as well as the insistance that our republic is a democracy, at least half the country is woefully ignorant. Citizens lack basic, elementary understanding of the U.S. Constitution, the difference between democratic republics and democracies, how our system of government operates during elections or how an elected federal office holder is accused, placed on trial and sentenced if found guilty under the impeachment process. If the goal was to undermine confidence in our process, the Russians were laughably overestimating the competence of the voters.

Putin didn’t have to attempt making the Clintons look bad. Over the past decades, the couple has done an incredibly efficient job of making themselves look bad. None of the “revelations” about Hillary or Bill surprised their detractors. Their supporters were immune to the same.

Perhaps, the DNC was exposed as being much worse than previously thought by some. In the estimation of the voting block that supported the president, the DNC has been shooting itself in the foot for years, dealt itself a fatal blow with its platform revision for the 2012 federal election, and nailed its own coffin shut in 2015. At least the members of this group with whom I am personally aware knew they had to choose either an Independent candidate (if a viable one could be found) or default to a Republican - regardless of the individual debate performances or who won the primaries.
 
Podesta who was Hillary’s campaign manager?] was actively working for and taking money from Russian banksters.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s hard to know what his preferences would have been in this presidential election. His choices weren’t all that 'good". Hillary Clinton has proved herself a war-lover and a war-starter, and Putin could have worried about that. I would have if I was him.

On the other hand, Trump spoke in favor of a military buildup and put pressure on NATO countries to increase theirs. Putin couldn’t have favored that, and I wouldn’t if I was him.

I can see how Putin might have preferred Trump over Clinton. Clinton has seemed unstable to me, in thought and action if not in speech. Trump seems wild in speech but very rational and measured in what he actually does.
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I watched the hearing with Comey and the only thing he could say, or would say as to why Putin favored Trump??? Any evidence??? NO, because he hated Hilary so much it stands to reason he would prefer Trump! That’s making a leap, I think… like he preferred Trump because he was the only other candidate-------duh!!!
 
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