Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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Michael68 said:
What about all the cries she won the popular vote? How did that happen if we are to believe Russsia interfered with the elections? Which one are yall really lying about?
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Those two scenarios aren’t mutually exclusive; they could both be true.
 
We’re supposed to believe Democrats are the smartest to ever walk the earth, yet their candidate was “careless” with classified intel and Podesta’s password was password! And we are suppossed to believe Russia interfered when there was nothing but incompetence on the Democrats side.

Now they blame Russia. For awhile they blamed Comey and they also blamed someone else before the Russia excuse caught traction. The Dems are so obvious they can’t accept Hillary lost fair and square due to incompetence
 
Michael68 said:
How can you claim Russia interfered, yet you claim you won the popular vote? Where is this massive interference?
Really! We won the poular vote, we won the popular vote. Russia interfered and we got less votes, wait, we won the popular vote because Russia intefered and we got less votes but won the popular vote!

Insanity
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When your logic seems to be that massive interference would have had a “greater” impact, measured against no control-group baseline, then I assume that “insanity” is being used to refer to your own argument.
 
dvdjs said:
When your logic seems to be that massive interference would have had a “greater” impact, measured against no control-group baseline, then I assume that “insanity” is being used to refer to your own argument.
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Do you know how they interfered? With less than massive interference to keep with your scenario. How’d they do it?
 
abucs said:
After the investigation into allegations of improper interference in the election from the Russians are they going to move on to investigating CNN and CBS over the same issue?
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Many people and entities in the US work to influence the outcome of US elections. That s OK… Foreign governments? Not OK. US people and/or entities conspiring with foreign governments? Not OK. Easy, no?
 
dvdjs said:
Many people and entities in the US work to influence the outcome of US elections. That s OK… Foreign governments? Not OK. US people and/or entities conspiring with foreign governments? Not OK. Easy, no?
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No, the media worked actively against Trump and lied to the American people with all their fake polls. I won’t ever believe another poll after that mess!!!.
Yes, the media should be investigated for interference in the election!!!
 
petra22 said:
I don’t like any of the choices in the poll. I like the choice that says Russians did probably try to interfere with the election like President Obama tried to influence the elections in Israel and if I’m not mistaken–he spent our money trying to do it. Or is that just fake news??? Now was Obama backing the opponent because he liked him better, had him in his pocket??? or just HATED BEEBEE that much.?

Here’s a link I found…
newsmax.com/JohnFund/israel-netanyahu-election-hillary/2015/03/18/id/630817/
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You are mistaken.
 
Michael68 said:
We’re supposed to believe Democrats are the smartest to ever walk the earth, yet their candidate was “careless” with classified intel and Podesta’s password was password! And we are suppossed to believe Russia interfered when there was nothing but incompetence on the Democrats side.

Now they blame Russia. For awhile they blamed Comey and they also blamed someone else before the Russia excuse caught traction. The Dems are so obvious they can’t accept Hillary lost fair and square due to incompetence
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I’m not a Dem, but I have no trouble believing that Hillary lost because she’s corrupt, uncharismatic, and ran an incompetent campaign. Doesn’t mean the Russians weren’t attempting to interfere, and it doesn’t mean that the Trump campaign didn’t have very suspicious ties to Russia.

The two situations aren’t mutually exclusive.

Incidentally, I I think (and this is just my pet theory) that the media had a lot to do with Trump’s win, because Clinton’s victory looked so inevitable. A lot of people who were “meh” on Hillary probably stayed home because they weren’t that enthusiastic to begin with, and they figured she had it in the bag anyway. If the election were held today, and all those people realized Trump could actually win, I think you’d say much higher turnout and he’d almost certainly lose.
 
saellis said:
I seriously doubt that they actually interfered but if they did we should pull the plank out of our eye before crying foul in light of all the interference the so-called US intelligence community has pulled in elections around the world for decades.
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I think the moral equivalence argument is morally bankrupt.
 
Michael68 said:
Yet you have no problem what the extremely biased media did during the campaign?
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Only if they were in a conspiracy with foreign government - which, as it turns out, some alt-right media is under suspicion, and under investigation of having been
 
dvdjs said:
The people who have read and listened to the links in these threads know what is alleged and under investigation.
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Yeah, I’m not sure why trying to pose “gotcha” questions is the move here. If you want to read how the Russians allegedly attempted to interfere the election, there are multiple sources I can point you to, including the assessment of the US intelligence community. It’s not some big mystery.
 
dvdjs said:
The people who have read and listened to the links in these threads know what is alleged and under investigation.
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So, you don’t know and are just jumping on the “Blame anybody but Hillary” bandwagon. Its ok, really. Nobody knows why Russia is being acccused of this except for the Democrats can’t accept Hillary’s loss.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Because they believe the president is not working for the good of the country, just as the Republicans did not believe Obama was working for the good of the country and refused to get behind him.
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the republicans were not trying to create chaos and divisiveness and the republicans even after the midterms were still rolling over for Obama.
Obamacare was a failure from the beginning. it was crammed down our throats. somehow that got passed. Sotomayor became a Supreme Court Justice. Obama entered office believing marriage was between a man and a woman, but miraculously when he left office marriage between two people of the same sex was legal.
the democrats act like spoiled children. it has to be their way or no way.
 
J_Peterson said:
If you believed that Hillary had extremely poor health during the campaign than you were probably influenced by the Russians.
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If you believe that the DNC was working to launch and Arab Spring to undermine the Catholic Church, you were influenced by the Russians.
 
saellis said:
I seriously doubt that they actually interfered but if they did we should pull the plank out of our eye before crying foul in light of all the interference the so-called US intelligence community has pulled in elections around the world for decades.
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