Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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7_Sorrows said:
so Hillary is the victim? :rotfl:
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It is so insulting to say that our votes could be influenced by Fake News. But perhaps there were people who did, who believe in everything the Fake News churned out. Yuk.
 
What happened to the argument that the majority of Trump voters were racist and they all turned out on election day, or that Comey interfered? Those myths didn’t’ work so it’s all about the Russians now.

Where the Russians also responsible for the fact that 9 of the 13 states where voter turnout was highest were battleground states?

In Wisconsin, they finally had to show a photo ID. Hilary lost by 22k votes. Milwaukee and Madison saw a reduction in voting numbers. I guess the new photo ID was hard to obtain for the dead people there who voted in past elections.

Lack of evidence of illegal voting does not equate to proof of innocence, it’s proof of lack of an official investigation.

Hillary was the worst Democratic presidential candidate in the modern era. She will be known in history as the single worst candidate ever. Unlikeable, not to be trusted and a corrupt liar. A majority of voters didn’t like her personally and didn’t trust her. Hillary would have sold Alaska back to the Russians if Putin had agreed to dump enough billions of dollars into the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. However, I’d like to wish Hillary a long and healthy life, so that she can agonize every day about losing the election to President Trump.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Well, that depends on your political view. One view is that the damage is we have a government thrown into chaos by a President who does not know how to be a President, making misstep after misstep, we have lost faith in our government, the rule of law, and the electoral process. We have lost the respect of the rest of the world.
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Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get our respect back?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
OK, you know that isn’t true. The election was extremely close. You don’t even have to change anyone’s vote to change the outcome. You only need to change a few voters’ state of residence. Of course the Russians could not change anyone’s residence. I mention that only to illustrate how close the election was. Therefore it only takes a few minds changed to change the outcome.

How are minds changed?
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Here is a good article on the tactics.
mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html

A shorter version here;
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fbi-treason-donald-trump-russia-us-election-alt-right-websites-george-w-bush-ethics-lawyer-a7644966.html
 
Reuben_J said:
:rotfl:

It is so insulting to say that our votes could be influenced by Fake News. But perhaps there were people who did, who believe in everything the Fake News churned out. Yuk.
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LOL.
  1. I recently posted a story on an interview featuring an interview with a fake news author and website owner. In it i linked to the discussion of that article on this forum. Itwas interesting to note who fell for it, hook line, and sinker.
  2. The repetition of campaign falsehoods, long after the election is over, is a staple of posts here. My favorite are posts exposing proof of the anti-catholic actiivities of the DNC>
  3. There is a reason that campaigns send lots of money on delivering an well-crafted message. It is not because messaging is of no effect.
 
mwigs said:
What happened to the argument that the majority of Trump voters were racist and they all turned out on election day, or that Comey interfered? Those myths didn’t’ work so it’s all about the Russians now.

Where the Russians also responsible for the fact that 9 of the 13 states where voter turnout was highest were battleground states?

In Wisconsin, they finally had to show a photo ID. Hilary lost by 22k votes. Milwaukee and Madison saw a reduction in voting numbers. I guess the new photo ID was hard to obtain for the dead people there who voted in past elections.

Lack of evidence of illegal voting does not equate to proof of innocence, it’s proof of lack of an official investigation.

Hillary was the worst Democratic presidential candidate in the modern era. She will be known in history as the single worst candidate ever. Unlikeable, not to be trusted and a corrupt liar. A majority of voters didn’t like her personally and didn’t trust her. Hillary would have sold Alaska back to the Russians if Putin had agreed to dump enough billions of dollars into the Clinton Crime Family Foundation. However, I’d like to wish Hillary a long and healthy life, so that she can agonize every day about losing the election to President Trump.
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👍👍👍
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Well, that depends on your political view. One view is that the damage is we have a government thrown into chaos by a President who does not know how to be a President, making misstep after misstep, we have lost faith in our government, the rule of law, and the electoral process. We have lost the respect of the rest of the world.
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No. I mean what damage did Russia do to her campaign? Hillary hurt herself and the
rest of the democrats like Lynch, Brazille, and Podesta just added fuel to the fire.
The democrats refuse to accept their blame in Hillary’s defeat. Stop pointing fingers!
 
New poll
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        o            Obama interfered in Israeli elections and it is not acceptable
        o            I don't want to think about it,
 
LeafByNiggle said:
OK, you know that isn’t true. The election was extremely close. You don’t even have to change anyone’s vote to change the outcome. You only need to change a few voters’ state of residence. Of course the Russians could not change anyone’s residence. I mention that only to illustrate how close the election was. Therefore it only takes a few minds changed to change the outcome.

How are minds changed? By the selective release of embarrassing info. Even true info. Based on what was released, one might conclude that Hillary had all the embarrassing info and thank the Russians for releasing it. Better we know the truth, even if the truth was arrived at by questionable means. However that is the result of selective release. They did not release any comparable embarrassing info on Trump. A careless thinker might conclude that it was because there is no comparably embarrassing info on Trump. But that would be careless thought. When an agent with an agenda (the Russians) has the ability to release only the info that furthers their agenda, they have a strong incentive to do so. The only truly fair way to judge if Hillary’s skeletons are worse than Trump’s skeletons is to open both closets to public inspection. But of course that won’t happen. Which leaves careless thinkers making assumptions about who to vote for. Just seeing the chaos in the government in these first two months, it clearly pleases the Russians. It is not hard to see how this outcome is very much to their liking, and given what we know about the Russians and their history, and what the intelligence agencies have determined about Russian hacking, it is clear to me anyway that the Russians definitely made the difference.
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Maybe the Russians knew that the Dems would publicize every bad thing about Trump they coudl find and decided to even thenplaying field? It’s not like nothing emabarrassing about Trump came out, after all.
 
If the Russians were out to get Hillary why did they waste resources hacking the DNC which undoubtedly had a pretty good firewall when they could spend those same resources hacking Hillary’s insecure email server and get even more damaging information?

Assuming they did waste resources hacking the DNC, how did they force the Democrats to write such incriminating emails about collusion to screw Bernie, about media types colluding with Hillary about questions to ask Trump, about anti-Catholic bigotry, and so forth? Sinners who refuse to be accountable must always find someone to blame. ‘It was that woman you gave me’, said Adam while Eve blamed the snake.

Why wasn’t the Russia hack BIG HEADLINE NEWS before the election? It was under the Obama watch. Why only after the electoral votes?
 
dvdjs said:
LOL.
  1. I recently posted a story on an interview featuring an interview with a fake news author and website owner. In it i linked to the discussion of that article on this forum. Itwas interesting to note who fell for it, hook line, and sinker.
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Was that the Pizzagate thing? I *thought *that was really weird…
  1. The repetition of campaign falsehoods, long after the election is over, is a staple of posts here. My favorite are posts exposing proof of the anti-catholic actiivities of the DNC>
Click to expand...
  1. There is a reason that campaigns send lots of money on delivering an well-crafted message. It is not because messaging is of no effect.
Click to expand...
 
abucs said:
New poll
Code: 
        o            Obama interfered in Israeli elections and it is not acceptable
        o            I don't want to think about it,
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I think that many will have to check both.
Tell us about this interference!
 
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