Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

[lmachine]

More than likely to avoid any false charges by you guys!

But Republicans control the entire government. Who do you think would be bringing false charges?

 

[Michael68]

But Republicans control the entire government. Who do you think would be bringing false charges?

They’re bringing up this ridiculous Russian interference thing because they think telling the truth about Hillary is interference. They think Podesta’s email was hacked to get at that truth. Which comes back to, they think the truth is interference. They don’t think the media did enough to drag Trump through the mud, so the Russians must be hiding something

There’s your “they” and they are a looney bunch!

 

[lmachine]

They’re bringing up this ridiculous Russian interference thing because they think telling the truth about Hillary is interference. They think Podesta’s email was hacked to get at that truth. Which comes back to, they think the truth is interference. They don’t think the media did enough to drag Trump through the mud, so the Russians must be hiding something

There’s your “they” and they are a looney bunch!

“They” don’t have any power to bring charges. Why is Flynn worried?

 

[lynnvinc]

Truth? Untruths that have evolved from the leaks are told over and over even on this forum without the least compunction.

Agitprop and disinformation are the hallmarks. And that is what was done in this interference.

According to yesterday’s Senate Intel testimony that’s actually what they’re claiming Trump did in the elections. The Russians fed him various fake news about Hillary & his primary opponents, etc, and he “magnified” and “weaponized” it by echoing and spreading it.

See crooksandliars.com:8080/2017/03/intel-expert-drops-bomb-senate-committee & thinkprogress.org/clinton-watts-senate-intelligence-committee-trump-russia-fake-news-trail-of-bodies-1900e6fde054

“So, part of the reason ‘active measures’ works, and it does today in terms of [the] ‘Trump Tower being wiretapped’ [lie], is because they parrot the same line.”

And watch hearing live at: c-span.org/video/?426227-1/senate-intelligence-panel-warned-russians-play-sides

Some say Trump was just opportunistically using that Russian fake garbage to help him win, but others said he was in collusion with the Russians.

Time will tell.

However, it is really bad that Trump supporters continue to spread lies and live in Lie World, like perpetrating the lie that climate change is a hoax, etc.

God is Truth. Let all good people stand for the Truth.

 

[Sojourner003]

According to yesterday’s Senate Intel testimony that’s actually what they’re claiming Trump did in the elections. The Russians fed him various fake news about Hillary & his primary opponents, etc, and he “magnified” and “weaponized” it by echoing and spreading it.

See crooksandliars.com:8080/2017/03/intel-expert-drops-bomb-senate-committee & thinkprogress.org/clinton-watts-senate-intelligence-committee-trump-russia-fake-news-trail-of-bodies-1900e6fde054

“So, part of the reason ‘active measures’ works, and it does today in terms of [the] ‘Trump Tower being wiretapped’ [lie], is because they parrot the same line.”

And watch hearing live at: c-span.org/video/?426227-1/senate-intelligence-panel-warned-russians-play-sides

Some say Trump was just opportunistically using that Russian fake garbage to help him win, but others said he was in collusion with the Russians.

Time will tell.

However, it is really bad that Trump supporters continue to spread lies and live in Lie World, like perpetrating the lie that climate change is a hoax, etc.

God is Truth. Let all good people stand for the Truth.

Amen. Thanks for posting the link to the hearings. It was sobering to listen to.

 

[Seamus_L]

The real threat that I see to this country and one that must be confronted, comes from those who have been attempting to demonize the President even before he was elected, and escalate tensions with Russia.

 

[dvdjs]

Then tell us which of the released emails were planted as disinformation. Explain how the CNN anchor didn’t actually give debate questions to Ms. Clinton’s campaign. Enlighten us on how a “Catholic Spring” meant to overturn both our doctrine and our hierarchy isn’t really what Mr. Podesta says it is.

I suggest an alternative approach that I think will be more effective. You should work your way backwards from your remark about “Catholic Spring” to the media sources that somehow led you to the misinformed view and ultimately back to the original emails. I think that this will give a clear idea as to how a true fact get manipulated and morphs into a false meme.

 

[Michael68]

the real threat that i see to this country and one that must be confronted, comes from those who have been attempting to demonize the president even before he was elected, and escalate tensions with russia.

bingo

 

[Monkey1976]

I suggest an alternative approach that I think will be more effective. You should work your way backwards from your remark about “Catholic Spring” to the media sources that somehow led you to the misinformed view and ultimately back to the original emails. I think that this will give a clear idea as to how a true fact get manipulated and morphs into a false meme.

The original email:
John Podesta and Sandy Newman:

We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up. I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult.

On 2/10/12, Sandy Newman sandynewman@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, John,

This whole controversy with the bishops opposing contraceptive coverage even
though 98% of Catholic women (and their conjugal partners) have used
contraception has me thinking . . . There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in
which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and
the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the
Catholic church. Is contraceptive coverage an issue around which that could
happen. The Bishops will undoubtedly continue the fight. Does the Catholic
Hospital Association support of the Administration’s new policy, together
with “the 98%” create an opportunity?

Of course, this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the
Catholic church, the economic power it can bring to bear against nuns and
priests who count on it for their maintenance, etc. Even if the idea isn’t
crazy, I don’t qualify to be involved and I have not thought at all about
how one would “plant the seeds of the revolution,” or who would plant them.
Just wondering . . .

Hoping you’re well, and getting to focus your time in the ways you want.

Explain to us how this isn’t both an insult to our Church - a “middle ages dictatorship” - and a plan to change both infallible doctrine and the very structure of the Faith.

 

[TMC]

Failure to report his acting as an agent for a foreign government?t

Yes, and it seems likely that he also lied to law enforcement officials.

To be fair to Flynn, I think it is wise for anyone that is being investigated for anything to try to get immunity if they can. Why wouldn’t you seek immunity if it was available? So I see him seeking immunity as inconsequential. If they grant him immunity, that is much more interesting because that would suggest they think there is a bigger fish out there. But I have not heard anything to suggest he will actually be granted immunity.

 

[J_Peterson]

The original email:Explain to us how this isn’t both an insult to our Church - a “middle ages dictatorship” - and a plan to change both infallible doctrine and the very structure of the Faith.

It’s part of a private conversation between two Catholics discussing their Church. It’s out of context and not that crazy of a conversation for two progressive minded Catholics to be having. Mountain out of an anthill.

 

[Michael68]

The original email:Explain to us how this isn’t both an insult to our Church - a “middle ages dictatorship” - and a plan to change both infallible doctrine and the very structure of the Faith.

LOL, They think we don’t know how to read!

 

[Monkey1976]

It’s part of a private conversation between two Catholics discussing their Church. It’s out of context and not that crazy of a conversation for two progressive minded Catholics to be having. Mountain out of an anthill.

Two “catholics” who are strategists for a major political party and speaking to each other in that capacity. Two “catholics” who are discussing groups they created for the purpose of overthrowing the hierarchy of the Church. Two “catholics” who are talking about changing doctrine for the advantage of their political party.

 

[_Abyssinia]

According to yesterday’s Senate Intel testimony that’s actually what they’re claiming Trump did in the elections. The Russians fed him various fake news about Hillary & his primary opponents, etc, and he “magnified” and “weaponized” it by echoing and spreading it.

See crooksandliars.com:8080/2017/03/intel-expert-drops-bomb-senate-committee & thinkprogress.org/clinton-watts-senate-intelligence-committee-trump-russia-fake-news-trail-of-bodies-1900e6fde054

“So, part of the reason ‘active measures’ works, and it does today in terms of [the] ‘Trump Tower being wiretapped’ [lie], is because they parrot the same line.”

And watch hearing live at: c-span.org/video/?426227-1/senate-intelligence-panel-warned-russians-play-sides

Some say Trump was just opportunistically using that Russian fake garbage to help him win, but others said he was in collusion with the Russians.

Time will tell.

However, it is really bad that Trump supporters continue to spread lies and live in Lie World, like perpetrating the lie that climate change is a hoax, etc.

God is Truth. Let all good people stand for the Truth.

How exactly did the Russians feed Donald Trump fake news? CNN reports, 'Watts also noted that Russians likely targeted every candidate in the campaign" - so Donald Trump was targeted too?

There were bots against Donald Trump. There was fake news against Donald Trump. Who was doing that?

 

[Michael68]

How exactly did the Russians feed Donald Trump fake news? CNN reports, 'Watts also noted that Russians likely targeted every targeted" - so Donald Trump was targeted too?

There were bots against Donald Trump. There was fake news against Donald Trump. Who was doing that?

Oh no, we can’t get into how the media tried to interfere in the election. All they did was trash Trump throughout the whole campaign!!! I call for an investigation into how the media tried to interfere in our election. Fair and objective, my behind!

 

[dvdjs]

Two “catholics”

What is the meaning of the quotation marks?

who are strategists for a major political party and speaking to each other in that capacity

.
You are flat wrong on this. Check the email dates.

Two “catholics” who are discussing groups they created for the purpose of overthrowing the hierarchy of the Church. Two “catholics” who are talking about changing doctrine for the advantage of their political party.

It is progress to see backtracking attribution to the DNC (or to HRC), but you are wrong about who created what and what the purpose of the groups discussed are.

You really should go back to the emails so the you posts better align with the truth.

 

[St_Francis]

It’s part of a private conversation between two Catholics discussing their Church. It’s out of context and not that crazy of a conversation for two progressive minded Catholics to be having. Mountain out of an anthill.

A conversation between a parishioner in a pew and a friend would be what you say.

This:
**We created **Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up. I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult.

This is not a conversation even the average “progressive-minded Catholic” could have, as few have access to people like Kathleen Kennedy (Robert Kennedy’s daughter) in order to “discuss” how to generate a “bottom-up” movement.

*In context, *it is quite clear what is and has happened.

 

[Michael68]

A conversation between a parishioner in a pew and a friend would be what you say.

This:
**We created **Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up. I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult.

This is not a conversation even the average “progressive-minded Catholic” could have, as few have access to people like Kathleen Kennedy (Robert Kennedy’s daughter) in order to “discuss” how to generate a “bottom-up” movement.

*In context, *it is quite clear what is and has happened.

They will spin it even when they know what it said. All we can do is keep telling the truth!!

 

[J_Peterson]

Two “catholics” who are strategists for a major political party and speaking to each other in that capacity. Two “catholics” who are discussing groups they created for the purpose of overthrowing the hierarchy of the Church. Two “catholics” who are talking about changing doctrine for the advantage of their political party.

I’ve asked before and was ignored. Give me an example of something that Catholics In Alliance for the Common Good has done in an attempt destroy the Church or change her teachings. You realize they are still active and aren’t operating in the shadows? There must be something definitive you can point to.

 

[J_Peterson]

A conversation between a parishioner in a pew and a friend would be what you say.

This:
**We created **Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now. Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be bottom up. I’ll discuss with Tara. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult.

This is not a conversation even the average “progressive-minded Catholic” could have, as few have access to people like Kathleen Kennedy (Robert Kennedy’s daughter) in order to “discuss” how to generate a “bottom-up” movement.

*In context, *it is quite clear what is and has happened.

Give me an example of what they did to try to change teachings or hurt the Church.

Catholics United are now called Pope Francis Catholics, probably in response to the anti-Pope folks on the right. Sounds nefarious, being pro-Pope. They must be up to no good.