Did Russians interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections and is such interference acceptable?

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There is now no question that Wikileaks and Snowden are operatives of the Russian government. Stop sowing disinformation
 
Abynissa said:
There is now no question that Wikileaks and Snowden are operatives of the Russian government. Stop sowing disinformation
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And the truth about Hillary Clinton is disinformation? Isn’t that the root of the whole issue? There are some inconvenient truths about Hillary Clinton you would have been happy to leave covered up? Isn’t this the real truth and the Russian thing just a deflection from the incredibly poor choice in a candidate the Democrats decided to run?
 
Michael68 said:
And the truth about Hillary Clinton is disinformation? Isn’t that the root of the whole issue? There are some inconvenient truths about Hillary Clinton you would have been happy to leave covered up? Isn’t this the real truth and the Russian thing just a deflection from the incredibly poor choice in a candidate the Democrats decided to run?
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Let’s just suppose the tables were turned and all the info on Trump were revealed, including his tax returns, HIS missing emails that a court requested in a case against him, and many other such things. He probably wouldn’t be president today. He might even be in jail.

From my perspective there wasn’t anything esp negative about Hillary so I don’t know what you’re referring to. Maybe what the DNC did re Bernie Sanders or what Podesta said about Catholics, but I didn’t find any flaw with Hillary, except her position on abortion. Her private server and her emails were not a big deal, acc to authorities. In fact she comes off as a very dedicated public servant who has strived to do good all her life, including for children. The only issue I can find against her is the abortion issue (tho her pro-family, pro-child, and pro-woman policies would likely reduce abortions), which pales in comparison to Trump’s policy goals of blocking mitigation of climate change and other serious environmental harms, putting the whole of humanity at risk.

I think it was the right-wing media that exaggerated and told lies and falsehoods about Hillary, aided by Russian help in that area. While the truths about Trump are either buried very deep, covered up, or deflected in to oblivion.
 
Today Rex Tillerson became the latest administration official to say publicly that Russia interfered in the election. Not sure why anyone continues to deny it, when the Trump administration has admitted it repeatedly.
 
Michael68 said:
And the truth about Hillary Clinton is disinformation? Isn’t that the root of the whole issue? There are some inconvenient truths about Hillary Clinton you would have been happy to leave covered up? Isn’t this the real truth and the Russian thing just a deflection from the incredibly poor choice in a candidate the Democrats decided to run?
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That’s a red-herring statement if you observe the OP title to this thread. The fact of the matter one must focus their attention on defending the country and U.S. Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and let the chips fall where they may! That requires due diligence and not the regurgitation of their party line or their own bias. It must be above party loyalty. Blind allegiance to one party or another destroys democracy. No party is 100% correct. That being said, one who is a Christian must hold themselves to higher moral standing by applyng the teachings of Christ to their decision making.
 
Abynissa said:
That’s a red-herring statement if you observe the OP title to this thread. The fact of the matter one must focus their attention on defending the country and U.S. Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and let the chips fall where they may! That requires due diligence and not the regurgitation of their party line or their own bias. It must be above party loyalty. Blind allegiance to one party or another destroys democracy. No party is 100% correct. That being said, one who is a Christian must hold themselves to higher moral standing by applyng the teachings of Christ to their decision making.
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What does this have to do with the fact people are really mad because some unpleasant things were, rightly, exposed about Hillary Clinton and they think there is some dark secret about Trump that didn’t get exposed?
 
Michael68 said:
What does this have to do with the fact people are really mad because some unpleasant things were, rightly, exposed about Hillary Clinton and they think there is some dark secret about Trump that didn’t get exposed?
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Apparently, those of us who are pushing for a YES vote on CA separation are now being accused of collaborating with Russia.

Really, this is becoming a joke.
 
Abynissa said:
That’s a red-herring statement if you observe the OP title to this thread. The fact of the matter one must focus their attention on defending the country and U.S. Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and let the chips fall where they may! That requires due diligence and not the regurgitation of their party line or their own bias. It must be above party loyalty. Blind allegiance to one party or another destroys democracy. No party is 100% correct. That being said, one who is a Christian must hold themselves to higher moral standing by applyng the teachings of Christ to their decision making.
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That’s real convenient for the left to say given their stance on sanctuary cities.

Russia hacking is just in and of itself designed to reinforce never-trump excuse-makers rationalizations that they had some pretty bad ideas that the voters weren’t sold on.
 
SuperLuigi said:
That’s real convenient for the left to say given their stance on sanctuary cities.

Russia hacking is just in and of itself designed to reinforce never-trump excuse-makers rationalizations that they had some pretty bad ideas that the voters weren’t sold on.
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I get suspicious of anyone that constanly labels everything as Left vs. Right. To enlighten you, there is a whole block of people who are independent. There are also moderates and conservatives that take differant positions on various issues from their party position. They are not brainwashed by the Alt-Right to believe everything on the right is all good and everything on the left is not all bad!

It really doesn’t matter since the country is controlled by the oligarchs from both parties which will soon be exposed, hopefuly. You really dont have a say in it. Even now, there is a vicious war among the Trump base. Looks like Bannon and te Neo base is leaving. This war is between Kushner who is allied with the globalists, Goldman Sachs and Bannon who is allied with the white nationalists. Guess who is on the way out? Bannon. Trump base is fighting among themselves exposing very interesting information on Dan Scavino and others…I mean they are doxxing MicroChip, BakedAlaska, Cassandra Fairbanks, Mike Cernovich etc. The Alt-Right is furious concerning the fact that Trump broke his promise on global entanglements. His base is fragmenting which caught both Putin and Trump off guard.

In one of your postings, you posted we and instead of I…hmm. Since you play into Putin’s strategy of creating a war between far left and far right with your constant labeling, I’m curious what organization do you represent? You know when you categorize and label a whole segment of the population with a Left label, you are bearing false witness against your neighbor.
 
TMC said:
Today Rex Tillerson became the latest administration official to say publicly that Russia interfered in the election. Not sure why anyone continues to deny it, when the Trump administration has admitted it repeatedly.
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What did they do to interfere with the election? We know that no votes were tampered with, no voting machines hacked, no voter fraud caused by Russians.
Did they do more than Obama did to interfere in Israel or Brexit?
 
lynnvinc said:
From my perspective there wasn’t anything esp negative about Hillary so I don’t know what you’re referring to. Maybe what the DNC did re Bernie Sanders or what Podesta said about Catholics, but I didn’t find any flaw with Hillary, except her position on abortion. Her private server and her emails were not a big deal, acc to authorities.

You ignore the FACT that it wasn’t just e-mail… it was TOP SECRET/Classified communication that was NOT to BE exposed to outside influence… And still YOU would want to trust her with our Nations Secrets. How about our nations resources (uranium-that’s used for???) since she facilitated a 20% exchange with Russia??? And how about Bengazi? I watched the hearings and the news media said NOTHING NEW… not NOTHING SERIOUSLY WRONG-- just NOTHING NEW… did you watch the testimonies of the guys who were THERE??? THEN did you judge her behavior or the administrations’ behavior blaming it on a VIDEO when Hil herself told her DAUGHTER it was Terrorism???

I think it was the right-wing media that exaggerated and told lies and falsehoods about Hillary, aided by Russian help in that area. While the truths about Trump are either buried very deep, covered up, or deflected in to oblivion.
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***AS far as the Right Wing Media, did you watch the Left Wing MEdia? and if that’s all there was then the right was telling lies and the left was telling lies and the people had to decide which lies to believe or not believe… So most people in the states that counted in the Electoral College chose NOT to BELIEVE the Left this time. Nothing to do with Russia and you couldn’t find one left leaning news outlet that ever told the truth about Hilary’s dealings but never let up on Trump and his private video…

All the MSM was on Hilary’s side. but not the people. It wasn’t Russia…

I know this will not change your mind in any way, but I tried to tell you where I was coming from and there is so much more…
 
The Trump haters can write really long posts, but when you ask them for what Russia actually did, you get even longer posts saying nothing. Amazing !!!
 
Apparently Carter Page was under surveillance when the Democrats said no one was under surveillance! How can Dems and Trump haters keep up with the lies, yet they want to blame Russia? lol really sad
 
JonNC said:
What did they do to interfere with the election? We know that no votes were tampered with, no voting machines hacked, no voter fraud caused by Russians.
Did they do more than Obama did to interfere in Israel or Brexit?
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Yes
 
dvdjs said:
Yes
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Really? Like what?

btw, I already know you won’t give an answer but could some of you haters just at least try to give an answer. We have evidence the Democrats interfered, influenced and meddled in the election, yet strangly, no one can give any evidence Russia did.
 
dvdjs said:
I am quite sure that the claim that “no one” was under surveillance was never made.
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LOL really? You just like to make stuff up. Really, no one in the Obama administration said that that the Trump team was not surveilled? Care to reconsider your statement? Can you tell me who those guys on TV denying surveillance were? You haters seem to forget we have TVs too!
 
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