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pnewton
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If only we can have this Sunday Without Feminists evolve into Sunday Without Dissidents.
FYI - It had zero impact in my parish.
FYI - It had zero impact in my parish.
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irishpatrick
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A thought: why not reduce the homily time and make Communion more sacred as it should be? The Eucharist (Jesus) is the center of our faith, should He not be given the most time when we receive Him?
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KostyaJMJ
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That is why I don’t understand the controversy. There are so many religions out there, why not pick one that is more in line with your views?wow…just wow…send all those women our way. We’re not afraid of ovaries in the pulpit.
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jay29
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Great point. I was told by an old priest that if a priest can’t say what he needs to say in 7 minutes during a homily he can’t say it at all.
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runningdude
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I think these woman still believe that the Catholic Church is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, however poor their obedience to the the same is.
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jay29
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They need to realize that there will never be female priests in the Catholic Church. It’s never going to happen because it is theologically incorrect.I think these woman still believe that the Catholic Church is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, however poor their obedience to the the same is.
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KostyaJMJ
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Yes, but the changes they want would change the Church to something completely unrecognizable.I think these woman still believe that the Catholic Church is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, however poor their obedience to the the same is.
If you prefer to play soccer over football then that is your choice and nobody will think less of you. But it would be strange to lobby every American football club to start playing the game they call football properly, you know, with your feet using a round ball that you try to kick in a goal. They already have people who are willing to play along with these women so maybe they should just stick with them.
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SimonDodd
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I disagree. They want to limit the authority of the Pope, ordain women, and soft-peddle the parts of the gospel that might offend modern sensibilities. I’d recognize that anywhere. They want to change the Church into the church of England. Not since the Minbari surrender at the battle of the line has such a strategy been seen!
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KostyaJMJ
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Yes, that is what I meant to say.
They already have plenty of churches, excuse me, ecclesial communities, that are already in agreement with them. Why waste your energy on such a Quixotic effort as trying to change the Catholic Church?
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CathFaith1
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I suppose there are those ‘communities’ that could care less about theology and truth and would prefer raw numbers. (shrugs)wow…just wow…send all those women our way. We’re not afraid of ovaries in the pulpit.
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irishpatrick
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Exactly. The Bible passages speak well enough and can be supplemented with 5-10 minutes of Homily time. That way we Catholics can spend more time in Communion with the Lord. I go to daily Mass twice a week. Those Masses are 20-25 mins long, tops. The Homily is perhaps 1-2 mins, sometimes no Homily at all. I never walk away feeling like I was missing something because I heard the Word of God and then received Him during Communion.
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lutherlic
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If I remember correctly, Lutheranteach is in an ELCA Lutheran (the majority of US Lutherans). Before I converted, I was too. They have many practices we would consider liberal (allow openly homosexual pastors, clergy healthcare plans cover abortion for any reason, “open table” communion, oppose pro-marriage laws, etc.)
LCMS Lutherans (the second largest US group) are very different on all these points.
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lutherlic
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It is a dichotomy. I presume they understand that they are already in the one, true Church instituted by Jesus Himself. On the other hand, they don’t agree with how Jesus set it up. :banghead:
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SunnaB16
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The reason for no “priestesses” is simple enough:
Among other things, the Church is the Bride of Christ.
The priest take the place of Christ the Bridegroom.
Through the Mass and the Sacraments, the Bridegroom gives Life to His Bride.
To confer Life, the Marital Embrace must be between Man and Woman.
A relationship between a “priestess” and the Bride would be barren…one speaker called it “liturgical lesbianism”.
Read Ephesians 5:25-32.
You`re right.
It was aimed exclusively at the radical feminists and their lackeys.
See Post #14 to see what i think of radical feminism.
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SimonDodd
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True we say that the priest acts in persona Christi. But we also say that the priest acts in persona ecclesiae. Thus, while “[t]he priest take
I don’t think we’re really in disagreement, though. By one route or another, your point (and mine) is that as scripture witnesses, the Church wasn’t authorized to ordain women. That’s not quite the same thing as the point I made to which you replied. I was saying that I don’t understand the notion that women couldn’t function as clerics if they were called to the priesthood. (Indeed, to conflate the distinct issues of women’s capacity to serve with their call is actually to concede the feminists’ point.)
That’s a moot point, of course, since we both accept the Church’s teaching that they aren’t. But the issue isn’t entirely academic, insofar as it tends to escape its bounds and to cast a pall over their ability to serve in lay leadership roles.
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Dale_M
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In Ireland, where the boycott was based, attendance at Mass apparently wasn’t affected, or perhaps was slightly higher than in recent weeks.
irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0926/breaking29.html
irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0926/breaking29.html
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NeedImprovement
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… Some very stimulating comments
Here, we might have seen it as just another excuse for them to bring their kids to a Sunday morning hockey practice, or game. I’m not sure exactly when this started, but it seems like all kids’ hockey practices and games are on Sunday morning now … (somebody definitely wasn’t thinking “Mass”).
) elbow room ?
I wonder if they’re trying to make it look bigger than it really is in the media ? And I so agree with the comments posted about how they must be missing the whole gyst of their faith by “boycotting” Mass (maybe they should change that word to “girlcotting” instead so it will appear less offensive).
My dear mother was liberated/feminist (call it what you want) . During large parts of her career, she worked and travelled 5-6 days a week . But she never saw any of what she felt was her “equality” or “freedom” translate into a need to become a priest. She never saw the ministerial priesthood as something a woman is called to. And she was compassionate towards two particular priests who struggled with their vocation.
Anyone who seriously thinks our Blessed Lord calls women to the ministerial priesthood, should be left without an answer when asked how this sweet Saviour could have overlooked His own pure Mother . She would have been the first.
These women are bitter and they need prayer. Here’s a quote from the OP’s linked article:
“September 26 is the day to boycott Mass and pray for greater inclusion of women in the Catholic church.”
It really is questionable whether these truly are women of faith, or whether they are people who have already stepped outside the Church and only think they haven’t left.
To think we could boycott the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - a prayer so great that the human mind cannot comprehend it in its entirety (if we may use the word entirety for something with* infinite *merits) , and somehow come up with a prayer which could ever be even greater or more pertinent, speaks volumes to me about these people’s woundedness.
Here, we might have seen it as just another excuse for them to bring their kids to a Sunday morning hockey practice, or game. I’m not sure exactly when this started, but it seems like all kids’ hockey practices and games are on Sunday morning now … (somebody definitely wasn’t thinking “Mass”).
It doesn’t scare you that we might be left with a little too much (ahem,
) elbow room ?(lol I ) A deacon friend of mine once told me that when he was studying , his homiletics teacher instructed him, “If you haven’t struck oil in 8 minutes, quit boring !”
I wonder if they’re trying to make it look bigger than it really is in the media ? And I so agree with the comments posted about how they must be missing the whole gyst of their faith by “boycotting” Mass (maybe they should change that word to “girlcotting” instead so it will appear less offensive).
My dear mother was liberated/feminist (call it what you want) . During large parts of her career, she worked and travelled 5-6 days a week . But she never saw any of what she felt was her “equality” or “freedom” translate into a need to become a priest. She never saw the ministerial priesthood as something a woman is called to. And she was compassionate towards two particular priests who struggled with their vocation.
Anyone who seriously thinks our Blessed Lord calls women to the ministerial priesthood, should be left without an answer when asked how this sweet Saviour could have overlooked His own pure Mother . She would have been the first.
These women are bitter and they need prayer. Here’s a quote from the OP’s linked article:
“September 26 is the day to boycott Mass and pray for greater inclusion of women in the Catholic church.”
It really is questionable whether these truly are women of faith, or whether they are people who have already stepped outside the Church and only think they haven’t left.
To think we could boycott the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - a prayer so great that the human mind cannot comprehend it in its entirety (if we may use the word entirety for something with* infinite *merits) , and somehow come up with a prayer which could ever be even greater or more pertinent, speaks volumes to me about these people’s woundedness.
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Alan55
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While I agree that the Eucharist is the “source and summit” of Catholic faith, I don’t agree with the notion that the Liturgy of the Word should be reduced by cutting the homily to 5-10 minutes or less. A common complaint is that Catholics are ignorant of the truths of the Faith. The homily is the best opportunity that the Church has of teaching people those truths and helping them understand how to put them into practice. I’ve been at a number of streamlined masses that did away with the homily and sped up everything else. Not a great experience and certainly not a model for what the mass should be.
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FirstCalled
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In regards to the article…wow…
If these women don’t even know the theology as to why we go to mass and why they cannot willfully miss it, it makes perfect sense that they don’t know the theology behind the priest being a man.
How sad and appalling.
If these women don’t even know the theology as to why we go to mass and why they cannot willfully miss it, it makes perfect sense that they don’t know the theology behind the priest being a man.
How sad and appalling.
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irishpatrick
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If it cannot be said in ten minutes, than you will lose people anyway. Most people have about a ten-minute attention span, like it or not that is just true. Homilies that go on-and-on for 20, 30 and even 40 minutes are most often a waste of time and effort because the vast majority in the pews tune-out after ten minutes. It also shows a lack of efficiency if one cannot keep a homily to ten minutes or less (fifteen minutes maximum). Do not forget, in this era of longer homilies we find people know their faith less well than they did in the past; therefore, longer homilies has not worked to increase the knowledge of faith.
I agree that the Liturgy of the Word is critical, yet the most important part is the actual reading and hearing of the Bible passages. Not the homily.
There is zero doubt the most important part of the Mass is Communion and it should be treated as such. Give it more time and reverence, teach people that hearing the Word of God and than receiving God into their bodies is precisely what the Mass is all about.
There are others ways to save time. Stop having so many Extraordinary Ministers during Communion. Each EM represents another card vessel to be cleaned and put away, requiring mor altar servers too, and requiring 5-10 mins post-Communion time just to “finish.” If parishses cut back on homily time, and used Ems less, they could save at least 10-15 mins, which could then be used for a more reverent and proper treatment of Communion. Of course: imo.
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