Difference between Catholic "speaking in tongues" as oppose to Pentecostal "speaking of tongues"

[guanophore]

When someone thinks your praying in tongue is a fake, ignore him/her and/or say that wait til it happen to you.

You see, although I don’t use praying in tongue anymore, but it did happen to me while I was praying the rosary at home. At that time, I hardly knew anything about praying in tounge. I happened to go to a seminar for 4 days, and it happened to me on the 3rd day.

I wasn’t faking it but why I no longer continue praying? It is because it doesn’t happen to me anymore…period…I asked God that I didn’t know much about praying in tounge and I was confused, helped me by giving me some simple gifts that I have peace in my heart. That was it. After that, I am hooked with praying the rosary and many other prayers in my mother language or English.

Whatever happened to me the first night I was praying in tongue while praying the rosary, my life has been changed for better ever since. It was a year ago.

Praise the Lord!

To some extent, I do think it is like a hot coal. It will remain hotter when it is next to others that are also on fire. It is interesting that I heard Mother Angelica on EWTN yesterday. Someone asked her about praying in tongues. She basically said that he had no use for it, and felt her needs were more than adequately met with silent meditation in front of the blessed sacrament.

I also think it is different strokes for different folks. Some enjoy the rosary (personally I struggle with it a lot), some prefer silent meditation, some devotional prayer in a private prayer language. What God wants is for us to seek the Giver, and not the Gift.

 

[guanophore]

I was in this sort of church once and also in a church where only 3 messages were allowed as the minister would say before hand, so everyone would know that if they are second there would be only one more allowed and also in one that one message on one side of the room said the opposite as the message on the ither. this is a sort of abuse as to regulating the spirit

I don’t think it is an “abuse”, not like reading ones grocery list but I do think it is an attempt to keep control and avoid chaos.

My daughter has spoken I found out one day never knew but she admitted that she never told anyone because she was embarrased and didn’t know what it meant, stupid me didn’t know how to talk with her about it, so the others in her AofG prayed and prayed for her to receive and so she faked it to receive so they would quit and then on the next sunday announced that she had received silly isn’t it but they do really announce it to the world and it is a big thing like our confirmation and first communion, she also said she liked the attention.

This is one of the most abusive elements, I think. The rejoicing over this “least of the gifts” seems disproportionate. It is also inappropriate to purport that a person who does not speak in tongues has not had the Baptism of the HS.

40 years ago this was never talked about so why is it now?
I’m confused. Dessert

The Pentecostal movement did not really take off in America before that time, and it did not start infiltrating the Catholic Church until the late 60’s.

 

[Sixtus]

This is one of the most abusive elements, I think. The rejoicing over this “least of the gifts” seems disproportionate. It is also inappropriate to purport that a person who does not speak in tongues has not had the Baptism of the HS.

A problem of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that sometimes we do not know that we have been gifted. It is only when someone else points it out to us that we then know from where it came

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

So you’re opposed to the PUBLIC use of “tongues” that may or may not be interpreted correctly, not PRIVATE prayer languages, then?

It frankly hurts to read that my private prayer language, which I received from God while I was still skeptical of the whole idea, is superstitious nonsense, that’s all. (I know you aren’t the one who originally said that, but you did answer my question so I assume you believe the same.)

No, I go along with I Cor 14:28

public tongues must be orderily and always with interpretation following the format of scripture reading in the temple. In Jesus’ time there were three or four people were assigned scripture passages to read. The first person would get up and read his appointed scripture and then someone, either the person himself or an elder would make comments on the text. Then the second person would read his assigned scripture, followed by commentary, and the third and fourth persons would repeat the cycle. This is the same rule that Paul laid down in I Cor 14 for order in the worship service. The practice of everyone praying in tongues or speaking in tongues at the same time during the service is actualy unbiblical and contray to I Cor 14. I am aganist the chaos practiced in pentecostal - charismatic circles. The pattern that Paul lays out is like the temple scripture reading, one person alone speaks in tongues, and then one person alone interprets, then they sit down, a second person speaks in tongues, and the same person or another person interprets, and at MOST three or four cycles of this is allowed. Anything beyond that practice is fleshly and not of the Holy Spirit’s leading.

As for “prayer tongues” that simply belongs in one’s prayer closet.

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. **28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. ** 29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, **the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn **so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. *33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. * As in all the congregations of the saints,

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus’ direction does not become void because you are using a prayer language.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

When someone thinks your praying in tongue is a fake, ignore him/her and/or say that wait til it happen to you.

You see, although I don’t use praying in tongue anymore, but it did happen to me while I was praying the rosary at home. At that time, I hardly knew anything about praying in tounge. I happened to go to a seminar for 4 days, and it happened to me on the 3rd day.

I wasn’t faking it but why I no longer continue praying? It is because it doesn’t happen to me anymore…period…I asked God that I didn’t know much about praying in tounge and I was confused, helped me by giving me some simple gifts that I have peace in my heart. That was it. After that, I am hooked with praying the rosary and many other prayers in my mother language or English.

Whatever happened to me the first night I was praying in tongue while praying the rosary, my life has been changed for better ever since. It was a year ago.

Praise the Lord!

Ok Water, what do you all think of these testimonies?

The spirit came upon Brother sherman in mighty power, and he opened his mouth in an unknown tongue, to the great surprise and joy of all, … being the first known to have spoken in the gift of tongues by the power of God in this dispensation. Would-be, 121
saintswithouthalos.com/n/tongues.phtml

And then the great glory of God was manifested to this weak but trusting girl. She was enveloped as with a flame, and, unable longer to retain her seat, she arose and her mouth was filled with the praises of God and His glory. The spirit of tongues was upon her, and she was clothed in a shining light, so bright that all present saw it with great distinctness above the light of the fire and the candles.

lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/wa…/homespun.html

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I was in this sort of church once and also in a church where only 3 messages were allowed as the minister would say before hand, so everyone would know that if they are second there would be only one more allowed and also in one that one message on one side of the room said the opposite as the message on the ither. this is a sort of abuse as to regulating the spirit I’m glad when I am in my parish and there are none but am interested in the private revelation so I discuss this with my priest in the confessional about any of this.

Frankly, limiting them to three tongue speakers is exactly what Paul’s instructions are in I Cor 14, so that church is being biblical in its approach as long as each speaker’ message was in fact interpreted. So, no they are not limiting the Holy Spirit but are in fact following the instructions of the Holy Spirit through Paul.

Mass hysteria
My daughter has spoken I found out one day never knew but she admitted that she never told anyone because she was embarrased and didn’t know what it meant, stupid me didn’t know how to talk with her about it, so the others in her AofG prayed and prayed for her to receive and so she faked it to receive so they would quit and then on the next sunday announced that she had received silly isn’t it but they do really announce it to the world and it is a big thing like our confirmation and first communion, she also said she liked the attention.

That is a perfect example of group dymatics of “in group” vs “out group” pressures on people. Let your daughter know not to feel bad because most if not all the others are also faking it. In many baptist churches for example, the pressure is to be baptised by their pastor, and one is treated like an outsider if they refuse. Imagine a whole church refusing to talk to you, refusing to even greet you. The later part she experienced, the attention is known as “love bombing”.

I think my son does and so i really need to speak with him about it but he does not attend a church. 40 years ago this was never talked about so why is it now? I’m confused. Dessert

The fact that he has not been to church in 40 years is likely proof that if he ever did speak in tongues it was not geniune. I speaking here from the information gained from reading studies on the unchurched.

Outside and inside the catholic church 40 years ago, some were talking about tongues. The discussion was more avilable outside the catholic church. But, many protestant churches today, still believe that spiritual gifts died out with the last apostle. So, it really depends what circles you were in, if it was or was not discussed.

 

[guanophore]

No, I go along with I Cor 14:28

public tongues must be orderily and always with interpretation following the format of scripture reading in the temple. In Jesus’ time there were three or four people were assigned scripture passages to read. The first person would get up and read his appointed scripture and then someone, either the person himself or an elder would make comments on the text. Then the second person would read his assigned scripture, followed by commentary, and the third and fourth persons would repeat the cycle. This is the same rule that Paul laid down in I Cor 14 for order in the worship service. The practice of everyone praying in tongues or speaking in tongues at the same time during the service is actualy unbiblical and contray to I Cor 14. I am aganist the chaos practiced in pentecostal - charismatic circles. The pattern that Paul lays out is like the temple scripture reading, one person alone speaks in tongues, and then one person alone interprets, then they sit down, a second person speaks in tongues, and the same person or another person interprets, and at MOST three or four cycles of this is allowed. Anything beyond that practice is fleshly and not of the Holy Spirit’s leading.

As for “prayer tongues” that simply belongs in one’s prayer closet.

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. 29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, **the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn **so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. *33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. * As in all the congregations of the saints,

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus’ direction does not become void because you are using a prayer language.

I agree with you that chaos is not appropriate, however, corporate worship can be very beautiful and very orderly.

Acts 2:1-4
2:1 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

Realize that the apostles are in a secluded place. This happened at the end of the first Novena, and they had been meeting and praying daily, waiting for the promised Spirit Now, why do you think they were speaking in tongues, all of them? All at the same time? It was corporate worship. The same happened at the home of Cornelius when the spirit fell upon them after Peter’s preaching. This is a different manifestation of the Spirit than the public preaching that came later.

Acts 10:46
46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God."

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I dont’ think he was kidding, Sixtus. It think he really did translate his grocery list into Hebrew or some other language,and read it to test whether it could be interpreted.

Naturally, this was an abuse, because all such expressions should only take place to edify the body, and reading one’s shopping list to prove to oneself that the HS is not operating is certainly not in any manner edifying the body.

No, I am serious, I did share my shopping list in hebrew.

But, I knew that the fake interpretation would be ediflying.

Basically, Jesus did accommidate Thomas by appearing to him.
Jesus appeared to Paul. By means of the Holy Spirit, God testifies in our hearts to truth.

We are told by Jesus if we ask for bread, our Father in heaven will NOT give us a rock. So, if what they were doing was geniune, then I expect our Father in heaven to send the geniune. If what they are doing is fake, I do not expect God would send the geniune to support their falsehood. And the fact that their fake interpretations were praising God, tells me that demons were NOT involded. We know that God is about truth, and tha the Holy Spirit is gieved by falsehood, thus I do not believe God is pleased with the modern tongues movement.

Eph 4
29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Ephesians 4:25
Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body.

1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Basically, those who are listening the Holy Spirit will not put up with chaos in worship services, because God is a God of order.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I’m not pentecostal, I’ve never heard a pentecostal speak, and I haven’t read their works. I can certainly see how you would come to your conclusion and admit I am not infallible. I hope you can admit you are not infallible. I can honestly say that although I am looking at this scripture in light of other scriptures that talk about speaking in tongues, I am also looking at it in light of St. Teresa’s Interior mansions, and in light of this gift being given to me. It’s true this particular verse may not be about praying in tongues, however, since I have been given that gift, I tend to think it is. Not that you care, but I am not talking about the seeming hysterics that occurs in pentecostal services. I NEVER thought that I would receive this gift and always thought it was rather kooky. Yet, like PixieDust, I have received a prayer language. It is nothing for me to be proud of–I’m not more faithful to God than you or anyone else here. The Spirit bestows gifts on whom He will. I’m still trying to figure out why I received a gift I didn’t really believe in. But I’m certainly not going to pretend it doesn’t exist so that I can avoid ridicule on these forums.

There are a lot members of this forum who think they know what praying in tongues is. I find that many of them don’t know what they are talking about. Praying in tongues (not to be confused with speaking in tongues with interpretation) is not about hysterics and putting on a show to let everyone know how much you’ve got the Spirit. Quite the contrary! Praying in tongues is about humility before God, docility to the Spirit, and more than anything glorifying God. Humility, docility, and glorifying God–I’m hoping we can agree these are good fruits. Since a great deal of people who “pray in tongues” seem to be frantically drawing attention to themselves, I would venture to guess that there are a great many frauds out there. This is too bad because it casts such a dark shadow on a gift of God.

As to your quote about “being burned to death” I’m not sure how it applies to this discussion. Please elaborate.

If it is not by pride then they would follow the teachings of Jesus to enter our prayer closet, and not do it in public. But, way too often, I have seen fruits of the flesh running amonk among those who speak in tongues, and they do have a “super christian” vs “inferior christian” mentality, thus it is pride.

Do you really think that Paul’s instructions would contradict Jesus’ instruction on prayer?

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I think you misunderstand tongues. Are you Pentecostal?
Dessert

At one time, I considered myself to be charismatic, but I moved on to the greater gifts which are church centered and are much more mature. It is my experience that those who stay at the tongues level rarely mature in their faith. Many, even pastors fall away from the faith. I have seen pastors who through “revelations” believed that God was telling them to divorce their faithful wife, to join up with a sexy young lady 20-30 years younger than himself. And, worse than that remain in the pulpit. I have seen pastors who through “revelations” match up couples who did not know each other, and who were clearly poor matches, and all of them to my knowledge divorced each other within a few years, and are now “unchurched”. Yes, some will consider joining a house church but are cautious. It was clear that the overriding factor in the pastor’s choices were those that he believed were fully faithful to himself, and those who were immature, that were likely to be influnced to be faithful to that pastor. I know a young lady who has gone through three such marriages that ended in divorce that were set up by revelations of some pastors.

On the other side, among those who deny that the Holy Spirit is empowering the gift of tongues today, I have seen many of them mature deepily into the fruit of the Holy Spirit and have remained steadfast in the Lord.

The best case would be one who is employing his or her spiritual gifts and are maturing in the fruit of the Spirit. Unfortuneately this is rare.

So, in short, I believe

That spiritual gifts are for today, but much that is out there is simply human based faking. And, yes I used the gift of discernment before reading my shopping list. So, no I was not tempting the Lord ( Acts 5 ).

If God is truly empowering tongues in a congregation, then he will be empowering the other gifts too like miracle worker, healing, teaching, preaching, evangelist — Many if not all these gifts are missing.

Hebrews 2:4 (New International Version)
God also testified to it [salvation] by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Do you really think it is God’s will only to give the church the most immature gift? And, not give the church all the mature gifts?
Why are the mature gifts missing in pentecostal - charismatic circles?

That one is to move onto the gifts that are church centered, leaving the childish behavior behind.

That Paul’s instruction on prayer tongues must comform to Jesus teaching on prayer – ie the prayer closet.

Yes, there is public corporate prayer, but that is only with interpretations and lead by elders – note Peter as an apostle would be an elder.

And, yes from reading Acts 6 & 7 it is clear that Stephen did NOT speak in tongues. In fact we are told specifically what his sign gifts were, faith, miracle worker, and evangelist ( read Acts 7 ).

Acts 6:8-10 (King James Version)

8And Stephen, full of faith and power, did **great wonders and miracles **among the people.

9Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

10And they were not able to resist the** wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.**

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

Paul’s example is to speak five words that could be understood vs speaking a lot of words in church that could not be understood.

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Another characteristic of pentecostal - charismatic circles I think is displeasing to the Lord is anti-intellectualism. God wants us to worship him in truth, that requires us to use our minds to discern and discover truth. The Lord plainly says, “let us reason together”.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

To some extent, I do think it is like a hot coal. It will remain hotter when it is next to others that are also on fire. It is interesting that I heard Mother Angelica on EWTN yesterday. Someone asked her about praying in tongues. She basically said that he had no use for it, and felt her needs were more than adequately met with silent meditation in front of the blessed sacrament.

I also think it is different strokes for different folks. Some enjoy the rosary (personally I struggle with it a lot), some prefer silent meditation, some devotional prayer in a private prayer language. What God wants is for us to seek the Giver, and not the Gift.

I agree, we are to be God centered. amen.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

A problem of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that sometimes we do not know that we have been gifted. It is only when someone else points it out to us that we then know from where it came

Thats true, and that is why “body life” is great.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

For those who missed it, my reading my shopping list in hebrew was after using the gift of discernment to note that what was happening was in fact not of the Spirit. I used my shopping list to confront those who were prideful.

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

If it is not by pride then they would follow the teachings of Jesus to enter our prayer closet, and not do it in public. But, way too often, I have seen fruits of the flesh running amonk among those who speak in tongues, and they do have a “super christian” vs “inferior christian” mentality, thus it is pride.

Do you really think that Paul’s instructions would contradict Jesus’ instruction on prayer?

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

The pride of which you speak has not been my experience. I’m not doubting that it exists, but I have never witnessed it. As to Jesus intstructing us to pray in the closet, there is a good point to that. But the context is that we do not demonstrate piety *in order to be seen by men *as verse one clearly says. Read the entire chapter-- in praying, almsgiving, and fasting we are not to seek the attention of men, this is not what praying in tongues is about. People who authentically pray in tongues in humility to God ARE NOT praying in public to gain the attention of men. We are singing praise to the Lord as we are so often told to do throughout all of scripture. Surely you do not believe all prayer should be in the closet? What about gathering in His name, are we supposed to just stand there and look at each other?

 

[dessert]

For those who missed it, my reading my shopping list in hebrew was after using the gift of discernment to note that what was happening was in fact not of the Spirit. I used my shopping list to confront those who were prideful.

If you had allready KNOWN that by the discernment, also a gift, of God not of yourself, you therefore went on to prove YOU were right and make it known they are wrong or to prove God right?
You are close to ******* Now what if you were wrong should God have struck you down or but you knew you were right so why o why did you feel it necessitate to PROVE **GOD
** Right?

Now you will say I’m pridefull I suppose.

Four fingers point back to te.

YOu sound a little judgemental which comes on with UPC as I was a member for quite awhile. I’m sorry if this hurts:blush:
but I agree a lot of what you have said makes sense .
You should read Sircach in the Catholic bible and if you become one your first lesson will be on compassiiion and understanding as it has taken a year for me to learn I don’t know ita all and then some. My RCC friends used to bite their tongue alot around me and suck up their breath because I was so righteoous acting and hloier than thou spouting this and that.

I hope you will think on these things and I think you have a lot to offer the Church somedayyyyyyyyyy…

Thank you for your post on my D and S as you hit the nail on the head, and I don’t mind a little intellectually stimulating arguement once in awhile.
Dessert

 

[Sixtus]

Thou shalt not put the Lord they God to the test.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

The pride of which you speak has not been my experience. I’m not doubting that it exists, but I have never witnessed it. As to Jesus intstructing us to pray in the closet, there is a good point to that. But the context is that we do not demonstrate piety *in order to be seen by men *as verse one clearly says. Read the entire chapter-- in praying, almsgiving, and fasting we are not to seek the attention of men, this is not what praying in tongues is about. People who authentically pray in tongues in humility to God ARE NOT praying in public to gain the attention of men. We are singing praise to the Lord as we are so often told to do throughout all of scripture. Surely you do not believe all prayer should be in the closet? What about gathering in His name, are we supposed to just stand there and look at each other?

I addressed corporate prayer above, it should be guided by an elder, and Peter was a fellow elder as an apostle.

I do not believe the prayer language should be used out loud in church without an interpretator. The greek word for tongues is the same for both prayer language and worship language, both must be interpreted or remain silent in the church ( I Cor 14:28 ).

Paul plainly says if an unbeliever comes in to visit a church and sees everyone speaking in tongues without interpretation it will result in a bad rep, and therefore don’t do that.

1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

If you had allready KNOWN that by the discernment, also a gift, of God not of yourself, you therefore went on to prove YOU were right and make it known they are wrong or to prove God right?
You are close to ******* Now what if you were wrong should God have struck you down or but you knew you were right so why o why did you feel it necessitate to PROVE **GOD
** Right?

Now you will say I’m pridefull I suppose.

Four fingers point back to te.

YOu sound a little judgemental which comes on with UPC as I was a member for quite awhile. I’m sorry if this hurts:blush:
but I agree a lot of what you have said makes sense .
You should read Sircach in the Catholic bible and if you become one your first lesson will be on compassiiion and understanding as it has taken a year for me to learn I don’t know ita all and then some. My RCC friends used to bite their tongue alot around me and suck up their breath because I was so righteoous acting and hloier than thou spouting this and that.

I hope you will think on these things and I think you have a lot to offer the Church somedayyyyyyyyyy…

Thank you for your post on my D and S as you hit the nail on the head, and I don’t mind a little intellectually stimulating arguement once in awhile.
Dessert

No, one needs to be confronted with facts to get them outside their comfort zone. If I were to say, to someone who is faking, hey that is NOT what I said, you misinterted me without proof of what I really said. They would come back with a lame, well that is what God wanted the people to hear. But, If I approach that person with, here is exactly what I said, and here is exactly what it is, their best retort is to stay silent and run for the hills. If they are doing it out of pride, then confronting them with the truth is a waste of time. But, if they are following the crowd, then the confrontation puts them outside their confornt zone, and they will have to think things through, and make a choice. I think God is trying to call people out of the pentecostal movements because frankly he is not pleased with their false worship. Yes, faking tongues is false worship, think about that.

And, No I am not accusing you of pride because frankly, I never met you in person, nor seen your behavior.

As for the body being burned thing, Paul is simply using an exageration. Just like, speaking in the language of angels is an exageration.

1 Corinthians 13

1 I may be able to speak the languages of men and even of angels, but if I do not have love, it will sound like noisy brass. 2 If I have the gift of speaking God’s Word and if I understand all secrets, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I know all things and if I have the gift of faith so I can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give everything I have to feed poor people and if I give my body to be burned, but do not have love, it will not help me.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Thou shalt not put the Lord they God to the test.

When you know from discernment that their interpretation and tongues is false, it is NOT putting God to the test, it is exposing their falsehood.

Psalm 34:8
Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

I addressed corporate prayer above, it should be guided by an elder, and Peter was a fellow elder as an apostle.

I do not believe the prayer language should be used out loud in church without an interpretator. The greek word for tongues is the same for both prayer language and worship language, both must be interpreted or remain silent in the church ( I Cor 14:28 ).

Paul plainly says if an unbeliever comes in to visit a church and sees everyone speaking in tongues without interpretation it will result in a bad rep, and therefore don’t do that.

1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

Yes, I agree with that. Contrary to what some charismatics practice, I do not see a place for it in the Mass, which is our public worship. I fully agree with you (and scripture ) on that point.