Disagreeing with Canceling Holy Week

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ThomasMT said:
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Ben Franklin
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Amen. While I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories no matter where they derive, left or right, and while I do believe there is no conspiracy behind this, what I do believe is that those who are no friends to liberty use these events to further our servitude to them by being able to remove more liberties.

How many people “socially distanced” during flu season? How many? You tell me the true answer and I’ll show why this is an overreaction. We have some states with laws that will throw you in jail or fine you $10,000 if you violate the order. For the many, this is just okay, as long as they say, “Hey I’m not doing anything wrong, so I’m fine.” Eventually when people stop and realize what is or could be happening, it will be too late. — First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. —
 
Incubation period of the flu is on average 2 days. 51,000 people died last year of the flu in the United States and 41,300,000 were infected. Are you willing to stay at home for two days every time you meet someone during flu season now that the new norm will be to socially distance to protect everyone?
 
JoeFreedom said:
Incubation period of the flu is on average 2 days. 51,000 people died last year of the flu in the United States and 41,300,000 were infected. Are you willing to stay at home for two days every time you meet someone during flu season now that the new norm will be to socially distance to protect everyone?
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From what I understand, people typically do not have the flu and not know it. However, I might be wrong.
 
High risk means likelihood of death. That statement is false. What I believe you are implying is that the 95% of us who will recover could put those at risk in the true high risk group at danger, if we were to associate with them. We are not all at high risk. 450,000 cases in the US, with nearly 200,000 recoveries. High risk, all of them? No.
 
What do you think it means to have an incubation period? This COVID 19 has an incubation period on average of 7 days, where you could infect others. That’s exactly what it means for the flu, but only for an average of 2 days.
 
The Church has always allowed for some people to go off to war, knowing many of them would be without the sacraments for long periods of time. This is for the common good.

With the virus, we all are soldiers. We wage war by social distancing, among other things.

The Mass has not stopped! Prior to the 1960s Catholics had a better understanding of the value of private Mass. Then we began to accommodate the historic Protestant complaints that no service should be held without a congregation. We have lost sight of what the Mass is.
 
Hindsight is easy 20/20.

The same people who trash the president for curtailing civil liberties (even though it was really governors who entered the lockdown orders) are the same ones who are trashing him for NOT ordering private companies to make ventilators.
 
Are you at all troubled that Dr. Fauci today predicted perhaps 200,000 deaths in the US alone?
 
It’s like Rahm Emmanuel publicly said, “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

Our founding fathers knew that after many generations, people would lose sight of what liberty meant and why it is so important. As more and more people voted to give themselves more things, they also voted to slowly erode their freedom, and eventually the experiment would topple, but most people nowadays are too short-sighted to see the long term consequences to their decisions. We are not headed in a good direction…
 
JoeFreedom said:
What do you think it means to have an incubation period? This COVID 19 has an incubation period on average of 7 days, where you could infect others. That’s exactly what it means for the flu, but only for an average of 2 days.
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I’m not talking about the incubation period time. I’m talking about actually being sick & contagious.

I heard a doctor say that some people have been contagious for 30 days. The doctors say that millions of people right now (myself included) may have it with MILD symptoms (no fever) and not know it. They might simply think they have a cough, allergies, etc.

This virus also seems to “love” killing people with diabetes & prediabetes: a condition far too many people (myself included) with this condition.
 
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I hear doctors say this and I hear doctors say that and doctors that contradict other doctors. You can find anyone you want to support your position because they are a dime a dozen these days.
 
JoeFreedom said:
I hear doctors say this and I hear doctors say that and doctors that contradict other doctors. You can find anyone you want to support your position because they are a dime a dozen these days.
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Very true. Too many doctors are politically/ideologically motivated on all sides.
 
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Our basic constitutional rights, our God-given rights do not ensure safety, which too many people select over freedom. You can have one or the other. Not both.

We are not guaranteed the right to be totally safe from things that might kill us (e.g.: cars, 9-11, fires, viruses, explosions), but we have an individual right to self-protection provided it does not violate others rights. To chose total safety is to give up liberty.

And before you accuse me of wanting grammie and pop-pops to die, please be careful with your accusations…
 
Maybe the lesson to learn here is two-fold. Americans need to start being in better health. This virus loves to kill those who are unhealthy. I agree with that. Maybe one should not be smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day, drinking and using drugs, eating junk food (packaged food, canned foods, low-fat foods, high-sugar foods, foods laden with chemicals, articificial sweeteners, colors and flavors), never exericise, stress out too much, never get sleep. Shall I keep going?

The second lesson would be to stop living over your means. We live in the wealthiest country in the world and I see people in the inner city with $1500 phones. I make good money. You know how much my phone cost? $190.
 
And there is where I will fight to the death for you to be free to say such things, while disagreeing wholeheartedly.

This statement is why America used to be a free nation and why we are the wealthiest in the world and why people come here from every country in the world because their is freedom, opportunity and liberty. Yet so many in other lands want to curtail what God granted us 225 years ago.
 
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No, it is absolutely not “doable.”

First, the Eucharist requires the priest to touch the host (because he has to hold it up).

Second, making mass “doable” by vastly INCREASING the number of masses is with due respect foolish in the extreme. More masses means more people out and about; priests interacting with more and more groups; people milling about waiting for the mass before theirs to end.

It also exponentially increases the need for “enforcement.” What to do about a person who is clearly ill but demands entrance?

What do do about the scrupulous who will want to attend every mass, or go daily?

What to do about those faithful who will see it as their obligation to attend whether it’s optional or not?

Who is going to enforce social distancing?

Who is going to provide security for the churches themselves when misguided third parties try to burn down a church to stop the spread of covid?

Look, this board is full of well meaning but ultimately misguided and/or ill-informed folks, many with some pet plan or another to “get mass going again!”. These pet plans invariably all fall apart on the realities of the situation (or make the problems worse).

I’d say vastly increasing the number of masses is a fine way to make the problem worse.
 
JoeFreedom said:
51,000 people died last year of the flu in the United States and 41,300,000 were infected. Are you willing to stay at home for two days every time you meet someone during flu season now that the new norm will be to socially distance to protect everyone?
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Anyone care to comment?

If you don’t stay home, you will be responsible for their deaths.
 
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