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catholiclala
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Thank you. We have been through this before.
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TC3033
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I live in MN too, and I remember Mass being “shut down” prior to Walz’s 10 person restriction. Maybe that was your archdiocese?I live in Minnesota in the US. Agreed, hard to compare. Originally our bishop was calling for many more masses attended by fewer people who would social distance. As soon as the governor said no more than 10 people meeting together then everything got shut down. We do get confession at some churches nearby but some diocese in the US have no sacraments at all.
Specifically where we live, there was no way one priest was going to do that many Masses in one weekend. Before this all happened he already pulled back the number of Masses per weekend.
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PatK63
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@andre03051
I am also upset! Are we fighting death as opposed to worshiping the Trinity? God decides who will live and who will die. Not man! I am willing to let life and death in God’s hands. I follow all the guidelines but going to mass would be an act of faith for me! No one should be required to go! As for it being against the law, so be it. In early Rome all masses were illegal! Oh God, forgive us for our lack of faith!
I am also upset! Are we fighting death as opposed to worshiping the Trinity? God decides who will live and who will die. Not man! I am willing to let life and death in God’s hands. I follow all the guidelines but going to mass would be an act of faith for me! No one should be required to go! As for it being against the law, so be it. In early Rome all masses were illegal! Oh God, forgive us for our lack of faith!
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Allie1
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My church donations have not changed at all. But I think you need to remember the other big thing that is going on in the country right now. Which is that millions of people are losing their jobs, which would mean that parishioners are going without work and paychecks. It is not surprising if church donations decrease because of thisI hope all these people applauding the bishops for shutting down the sacraments are digging deep into their pockets to support their local parish
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pnewton
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What is happening has nothing to do with lack of faith. Jesus said we are not to put God to the test. Do not commit the sin of presumption in the name of faith.
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mary15
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It was actually really a great day so far today, as I was able to watch 3 different services on the livestream for Palm Sunday.
I never was so happy than to see and hear my spiritual director give mass today, and the homily was just so very beautiful.
We are the church, and therefore, the church is not closed.
Amen!
I never was so happy than to see and hear my spiritual director give mass today, and the homily was just so very beautiful.
We are the church, and therefore, the church is not closed.
Amen!
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Barbarabps1
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I agree. If you have a concern or are part of risk group, you should stay home
I don’t agree with churches closing before they were even directed to close.
If you follow the 6 ft distance and 10 person limit why not?
I don’t agree with churches closing before they were even directed to close.
If you follow the 6 ft distance and 10 person limit why not?
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PatK63
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@pnewton
I don’t understand. If we all had faith and quite sinning the CV crisis would not exist. Now that it does, we have decisions to make on how we handle it. Those who love life more than God are wrong no matter who the are!
I don’t understand. If we all had faith and quite sinning the CV crisis would not exist. Now that it does, we have decisions to make on how we handle it. Those who love life more than God are wrong no matter who the are!
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PatK63
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@LumineDiei
If you follow because you believe that the Holy Spirt speaks through a person, you are doing the right thing. Be sure to follow all that the Holy Spirit ask of you. I try to follow the Holy Spirit also! But I am not sure that the Holy Spirit asked that all the churches be closed! It seems that is a contradiction. I hope when this crisis passes that the people who used to attend mass does’t believe seeing a mass on TV is sufficient!
If you follow because you believe that the Holy Spirt speaks through a person, you are doing the right thing. Be sure to follow all that the Holy Spirit ask of you. I try to follow the Holy Spirit also! But I am not sure that the Holy Spirit asked that all the churches be closed! It seems that is a contradiction. I hope when this crisis passes that the people who used to attend mass does’t believe seeing a mass on TV is sufficient!
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TC3033
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For just you?? In attending you have a “decent” chance of becoming infected…then you dispurse…get gas, go to the grocery store…take it home…etc…what about those people who are now possible touching something you carried the virus to…I am willing to let life and death in God’s hands. I
Can you extrapolate on this. Who is having lack of faith…?Oh God, forgive us for our lack of faith!
For how long. Forever?..As long as those “inconvenienced” are continuing to congregate and continue the spread?you have a concern or are part of risk group, you should stay home
Are you going to put a bouncer at the door to keep people out? Who’s in charge of disinfecting the entire church after Mass?If you follow the 6 ft distance and 10 person limit why not?
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OurLadyofSorrows
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Great postSTOP
All of you complaining, whining, virtue-signaling about how you’re willing to die by being disobedient (and infect a lot of other innocent people), just STOP.
Stop trying to make the Bishops that the Holy Spirit has put over you look bad or lacking faith for acting on the betterment of all those under their authority. It’s done, Get over it. Move on and learn some obedience instead and be thankful for the opportunity to at least view the Mass online.
This is the way it is. By now, you’ve figured out it’s not Burger King and you can’t have it your way, so just STOP with all of it. Go into your homes and pray. This will be over at some point, until then, turn inward to God and be thankful for your own blessings instead of trying to add to the number of dead bodies piling up in the hospitals.
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PatK63
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@TC3033
I will use all reasonable precautions but who lives and who dies are in God’s hands. Death is a natural event and we will all die! It is not the goal of the medical profession or the church to keep people alive!
Yes, we need faith that God loves us and protects us. I really believe we are acting like the government is God and should control this crisis. The government should do all it can do and it will never be enough.
I will use all reasonable precautions but who lives and who dies are in God’s hands. Death is a natural event and we will all die! It is not the goal of the medical profession or the church to keep people alive!
Yes, we need faith that God loves us and protects us. I really believe we are acting like the government is God and should control this crisis. The government should do all it can do and it will never be enough.
Emeraldlady
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Look at the big picture. You deciding what are ‘reasonable precautions’ and ignoring the experts, is you deciding who lives and who dies.@TC3033
I will use all reasonable precautions but who lives and who dies are in God’s hands. Death is a natural event and we will all die!
That’s not a very prolife attitude.It is not the goal of the medical profession or the church to keep people alive!
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thelibrarian
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Thank God we live on an age where our priests can say mass and broadcast it on YouTube for all to see, to meet with us on video conference apps of need be, or on the phone. The archbishop live streams mass on the internet. Mass is also broadcast on TV Sunday morning here.
Brothers, sisters, and Christians though history have purposefully chosen solitude and prayer for a period of time.
Despite the absence of the family parties, Easter will still come.
It is the pastors at megachurches who are foolish and are giving Christianity a negative image, especially the hand layers who insist that their parishioners are bring denied Jesus in some way because “hand laying” is denied. If the entire power and connection with Christ relied on a particular ordained (or maybe they are denomination that are not ordained) person must lay hands on someone’s head, and Christianity would have died out long ago.
Brothers, sisters, and Christians though history have purposefully chosen solitude and prayer for a period of time.
Despite the absence of the family parties, Easter will still come.
It is the pastors at megachurches who are foolish and are giving Christianity a negative image, especially the hand layers who insist that their parishioners are bring denied Jesus in some way because “hand laying” is denied. If the entire power and connection with Christ relied on a particular ordained (or maybe they are denomination that are not ordained) person must lay hands on someone’s head, and Christianity would have died out long ago.
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PatK63
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@Emeraldlady
Are you trying to win an argument or have a discussion on what is best to do?
My statement is very pro-life and in line with medical ethics and church teaching. A doctors job is to fight sickness, pain and suffering. Not to prolong life! Do no harm is part of the oath! Abortion deliberately kills an innocent victim. Big difference!
I said nothing about ignoring the experts. I go to morning mass nearly every morning. There are usually about 25 to 50 people there. We could sit 6 feet apart. We could wear whatever and wipe down everything we touch. Why can’t we have that mass?
When there is a will, there is a way,
Are you trying to win an argument or have a discussion on what is best to do?
My statement is very pro-life and in line with medical ethics and church teaching. A doctors job is to fight sickness, pain and suffering. Not to prolong life! Do no harm is part of the oath! Abortion deliberately kills an innocent victim. Big difference!
I said nothing about ignoring the experts. I go to morning mass nearly every morning. There are usually about 25 to 50 people there. We could sit 6 feet apart. We could wear whatever and wipe down everything we touch. Why can’t we have that mass?
When there is a will, there is a way,
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thelibrarian
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…and you are creating a burden to staff who has to go in and sanitize every little thing just in case someone touched it. Sure you can sit 6 feet apart in every Pew, but that means no one 6ft back either.
I volunteer for our church’s adoration chapel. I was a little upset that that was cancelled, because after all, only one person or two people are in there at time. But then I thought about it. sometimes people bring their kids. Sometimes there are shifts during the day where other people who don’t have a regular time slot as an adorer will just pop in, particular when something is happening in the world. It’s close quarters if there are more than two people in there, and it’s not possible to make sure the place is totally sanitized after each person comes and goes.
And there are 24 adoration time slots per day, granted, there are a couple people that have two slots per week, but still that’s a lot of people.
At first our church suspended Mass, but left the building open so people could visit and participate in quiet contemplation. Then they had to close the building completely. too many people came, for 1 and 2, and that situation there’s no way of knowing where everyone was or touched. They close the building on their own as part of their own decision
Our church streams Mass online. Either yours or a parish nearby does, too.
I volunteer for our church’s adoration chapel. I was a little upset that that was cancelled, because after all, only one person or two people are in there at time. But then I thought about it. sometimes people bring their kids. Sometimes there are shifts during the day where other people who don’t have a regular time slot as an adorer will just pop in, particular when something is happening in the world. It’s close quarters if there are more than two people in there, and it’s not possible to make sure the place is totally sanitized after each person comes and goes.
And there are 24 adoration time slots per day, granted, there are a couple people that have two slots per week, but still that’s a lot of people.
At first our church suspended Mass, but left the building open so people could visit and participate in quiet contemplation. Then they had to close the building completely. too many people came, for 1 and 2, and that situation there’s no way of knowing where everyone was or touched. They close the building on their own as part of their own decision
Our church streams Mass online. Either yours or a parish nearby does, too.
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thelibrarian
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you might want to use this as a time to strengthen your faith, if there is no Mass to attend if there is no congregation to gather with, do you only rely on mass to hear the Bible? Or do you only pray when you are in church? If that is the case, it’s time to explore a personal prayer life and Bible study. there are certainly many good commentaries online as well if you need to hear it by audio
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LilyM
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The ethics and goals of medicine are much more nuanced than your posts seem to suggest. Certainly one cannot use immoral means to prolong life, and one need not use extraordinary or heroic measures to preserve life either. But preservation of both health and life are central aims of medicine.@Emeraldlady
Are you trying to win an argument or have a discussion on what is best to do?
My statement is very pro-life and in line with medical ethics and church teaching. A doctors job is to fight sickness, pain and suffering. Not to prolong life! Do no harm is part of the oath! Abortion deliberately kills an innocent victim. Big difference!
I said nothing about ignoring the experts. I go to morning mass nearly every morning. There are usually about 25 to 50 people there. We could sit 6 feet apart. We could wear whatever and wipe down everything we touch. Why can’t we have that mass?
When there is a will, there is a way,
And importantly, morally we have a duty not to take needless or wanton risks either with our health or life or that of others. If this were not so, suicide would not be a sin.
It is all very well to say you and your fellow congregants can practice social distancing, but imagine the risks to a priest of having 25 to 50 person approach to receive communion. With lord knows what hygiene habits or previous exposure to infected persons.
How is the priest in such a situation to maintain social distancing and protect himself? He needs must be within six feet of all of them, and likely touch all these people’s hands or mouths.
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EXdrinker
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I am in a suburb of Minneapolis. Archbishop Hebda cancelled all public masses the same day Gov. Walz restricted the gathering of at risk people to 10.I live in MN too, and I remember Mass being “shut down” prior to Walz’s 10 person restriction. Maybe that was your archdiocese?
Specifically where we live, there was no way one priest was going to do that many Masses in one weekend. Before this all happened he already pulled back the number of Masses per weekend.
One priest could do a dozen masses in a day if needed and with reasonable restrictions on where people can sit many churches could accomodate dozens of areas for families to sit. We could rope off the other areas and wipe down those areas people sat in and then rotate the ropes so no one even sits in the same area from week to week. The priest could wear plastic gloves and take care not to touch anyone’s hands or tongue. If it happened he could change gloves.
There are ways around this now that we know it isn’t just a couple of weeks. We just need to take those extra steps for safety.
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phil3
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But traffic accidents are not contagious. The death rate for traffic accidents in the US is .01%. The death rate for CCPCovid19 in the USA is 2.89%.Let me use another example. In 2018 (the most recent year reported) 36,560 people died from traffic accidents in the United States. About 3,000 people per month. And this happens every single year. It kills young and old alike.
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