Disagreeing with Canceling Holy Week

[PatK63]

@LilyM
If there is a will and one has faith, there is a way. Without faith I agree with you it is impossible. You see only problems and not solutions! There would be some risk for the priest and he will do it willing or not at all. Precautions would be taken and the rest is in God’s hands. This is my last word on the subject! God bless you!

 

[Matteo93]

Maybe i ll say a already said thing, but i’ll risk it. I read it could be a not bad thing to celebrate Mass if the people who are in the church are aware of the possibility to become sick. But it isn’t true. Because when a person becomes sick

1. he can give the virus to other
2. he can become a problem for the community, who has to help him instead of helping another person
   The problem of this virus, and i have seen it very well here in Italy where i live, is that it rapidly passes from body to body, so the hospitals risk to collapse for the huge number of sick people!

 

[LilyM]

@LilyM
If there is a will and one has faith, there is a way. Without faith I agree with you it is impossible. You see only problems and not solutions! There would be some risk for the priest and he will do it willing or not at all. Precautions would be taken and the rest is in God’s hands. This is my last word on the subject! God bless you!

St Terese of Lisieux had all the will and all the faith in the world - she was still not able to find a way to be a missionary, as was her fond wish. She then realised that her task was to “find a way” towards sanctity, and did so through obedience and in spite of the restrictions placed on her. And not merely “find a way” to have her personal wants and desires to be a missionary catered to willy-nilly.

 

[pnewton]

If we all had faith and quite sinning the CV crisis would not exist.

No, it would not, not unless you believe in some sort of charismatic name-it-claim-it faith healing. Biology is biology. The world is broken through original sin, and disease does not cease to exist, spread, or kill.

And for the record, there is faith in accepting that God can grant grace at this time without the Mass as well. No one is accusing you of not having faith if you do not want to stay at home and obey the bishops.

 

[puer.dei]

There would be some risk for the priest

AND for everyone else involved. Why do you feel so free to dispose of other people’s lives?

 

[whatistrue]

applauding the bishops for shutting down the sacraments

At least in our Parish, “the sacraments” are not shut down. Baptism of infants can still be done, with restrictions. Weddings/convalidations can still be done, with restrictions and with the caveat of “if absolutely necessary”. Confessions are still being done on a modified schedule and with safety procedures in place. Anointing of the Sick (for those who are dying and the seriously ill) can still be done. And, although not a Sacrament, Funeral Masses can still be done with limitations and conditions. So basically we are missing Ordination (not done at the Parish anyway), Confirmation (typically done by the Bishop) and Eucharist (although the Priests and Deacons and some support persons who are present at the livestream/recorded Mass will commune, and it is available as Vaticum) that are not possible at this time.

digging deep into their pockets

Don’t know if it is “digging deep” or not, but our weekly regular contribution is still going to the Parish and our pledge for the Bishop’s Lenten Appeal is still going in.

 

[TC3033]

One priest could do a dozen masses in a day

He “could”, but I doubt you’d find one that would. Just before this happened, my wife’s parish cut down on weekend Masses from 4 to 3 because the priest couldn’t keep up.

We could rope off the other areas and wipe down those areas people sat in and then rotate the ropes so no one even sits in the same area from week to week.

Who’s going to do all of the set up and sanitation work between Mass, theoreticolly putting them in a higher risk position of contraction.

I just don’t get why people are so upset that Church leadership made a decision for the greater good of the community. The quicker we “suck it up” for a few weeks the quicker we all can get back to normalcy.

 

[PatK63]

There are risk to all service people. Necessary things go one. Or is the mass not necessary?
Watching ion TV is not attending mass!

 

[TC2]

Whatever happened to ‘offering it up’?
It’s lent, after all.

 

[pnewton]

Or is the mass not necessary?

The Mass is necessary, and it is still going on. Our attendance at every Mass is not. Our attendance at Mass on Sundays is also not necessary. If you say it is necessary, then what is it necessary for?

 

[pnewton]

They are finding people can spread the virus more than just 6 feet

Never trust “they.” The CDC has the best, safest guidelines. There are too many rumors as it is. Misinformation that exaggerates the dangers can be used as an excuse to disbelieve legitimate dangers. Eventually, more and more will return to normal and it will have to be done safely.

 

[Future_Catechum]

Also, after being deprived of attending Mass in person, however distressing that may be, how grateful we will all feel when we do get to return!

 

[phil19034]

JoeFreedom:

51,000 people died last year of the flu in the United States and 41,300,000 were infected. Are you willing to stay at home for two days every time you meet someone during flu season now that the new norm will be to socially distance to protect everyone?

Anyone care to comment?

If you don’t stay home, you will be responsible for their deaths.

Those flu numbers are based on a YEAR, not a month or few weeks.

The COVID-19 was expected to easily more than DOUBLE / QUADRUPLE that death number if we did nothing in few a few WEEKS.

There is a MAJOR difference between the deaths the flu gives us vs COVID-19 can

 

[Leek]

It’s kind of like what Jesus said about the good and holy priest who walked by the dying man so he would stay ritually pure so he could perform his sacred duties. It wasn’t up to him to decide who lives and who dies. The Samaritan wrongly decided to touch him and try to help prolong his life! That’s right, right?

 

[Sarcelle]

I was appalled that the President of Mexico, a country with not very good health care, where people will certainly die if coronavirus breaks out in a major city, went on TV and claimed he was protected from coronavirus because he was a good and moral person and then displayed what appeared to be a scapular that he believed had protective powers.

Oy vey!

This is not faith talking but superstition.

Two different things.

 

[tuffsmurf]

But one poster said that if we can save only person by closing churches for two months, it is worth it. So would churches closing every flu season by justifiable by that logic?

 

[puer.dei]

There are risk to all service people. Necessary things go one. Or is the mass not necessary?
Watching ion TV is not attending mass!

Have you even considered that God has some things to teach us in this? Among which could very well be that we’ve been taking our easy access to Mass for granted.

 

[phil19034]

But one poster said that if we can save only person by closing churches for two months, it is worth it. So would churches closing every flu season by justifiable by that logic?

No, you are comparing apples to oranges.

The flu is not as contagious as Covid-19.

Also, we have flu shots.

The reason so many people still die from the flu is because far too many people refuse to get the flu shot.

 

[PatK63]

Far fewer masses are being said. The mass is necessary for our salvation.

 

[VonDerTann]

I stepped away for a bit.

I return to find similar “nice in theory; completely unworkable in the real world” pet ideas for masses being bandied about.

None of these pet projects can circumvent the reality that they all call for lots of people out and about; and working priests half to death; at a time when a very poorly-understood (and perhaps mutating) virus continues to cause a growing death toll and a growing number of infections daily.

It’s the usual “my right to mass trumps your right to life;” it’s arrogant; and it also fails to recognize how often people have foregone mass in human history (I.e., sailors on long voyages; explorers; prisoners; etc.)

It’s beating a dead horse at this point.