Disagreeing with Canceling Holy Week

[VonDerTann]

“Just don’t breathe.”

Now I’ve officiallly heard everything.

So what happens when someone carrying the virus breathes on you, let alone coughs, and you then transmit the virus to 50 other people including your elderly priest before you feel symptoms?

These solutions I see thrown around in earnest can’t survive like the simplest scrutiny.

 

[pnewton]

“Just don’t breathe.”

Now I’ve officiallly heard everything.

So what happens when someone carrying the virus breathes on you, let alone coughs, and you then transmit the virus to 50 other people including your elderly priest before you feel symptoms?

These solutions I see thrown around in earnest can’t survive like the simplest scrutiny.

Your condescension also does not survive scrutiny. If one is holding one’s breath, one does not breath in virus. One does not exhale virus. Throwing in coughing is not relevant if there is not coughing. To be clear you do not even make sense, when you say “if someone”, a person that could only be the priest in this context. How could you give the priest you are receiving the Eucharist the virus that he is supposedly breathing at you?

 

[pnewton]

You know, there are those here that are seriously trying to understand the issue the OP presented. Then there are those that think they know it all because they know a little and refuse to give others a fair rendition of their positions. This is counterproductive. If Catholics here cannot exercise a little more charity toward others who do not agree with them, they should not then play the hypocrite by accusing others of lacking in concern for others.

 

[TC3033]

How could you give the priest you are receiving the Eucharist the virus that he is supposedly breathing at you?

It’s pretty simple. Any type of inadvertent person to person contact (specifically on or near the hands), or coming into contact with infected surfaces within the Church.

 

[pnewton]

It’s pretty simple. Any type of inadvertent person to person contact (specifically on or near the hands), or coming into contact with infected surfaces within the Church.

Understand the context. The question was whether holding one’s breath when entering the six foot sphere of the priest was sufficient to keep from breathing on the priest. There is very little surface contacted at this time, and both have just sanitized their hands. The only person who could possible spread anything might be the priest breathing in your general direction, though there is not any exhalation on my part. In this scenario it makes no sense to say that you could get the priest infected through him breathing on you.

There seems to be more here than just protection from the virus. I would hope that some of this is just ignorance on how viruses work and not an subtle attack on the Holy Eucharist. I support 100% the precautions the bishops are taking, but it seems even that is not sufficient for all.

 

[pnewton]

Apparently it needs to be posted again, but the people who need to listen to it don’t even listen to the Church or her Bishops…but here goes!

STOP

All of you complaining, whining, virtue-signaling …

If people cannot discuss their concerns here, then where can they? If the moderators wish to stop all COVID discussion then those that have some real angst over this would have no where to turn. The last thing they need is to be judged and insulted. It is better to understand and respond with reason as to why the bishops must be obeyed, as well as why the actions our bishops have taken are the actions of a true shepherd.

 

[Convert3]

I would hope that some of this is just ignorance on how viruses work

Yes. Someone definitely doesn’t understand how viruses work.

 

[TC3033]

Well…if we’re going to start context. I started from the begining.

FYI, as to the six foot rule, I have an easy fix for me. I simply do not breathe while receiving communion. The purpose of the six foot rule is to prevent spread through coughs, with respiration not needing quite that distance. Masks help not only to filter particulate, but also to restrict respiratory air flow. Not breathing also stops respiratory air flow.

There is very little surface contacted at this time

The entire time you’re in the Church building?

The only person who could possible spread anything might be the priest breathing in your general direction, though there is not any exhalation on my part. In this scenario it makes no sense to say that you could get the priest infected through him breathing on you.

Or you’re carrying the virus on a part of your hands/lower arm that isn’t sanitized. Without thinking we scratch our nose and don’t think anything of it because that’s something normal I always did. A cough or sneeze sneaks up on someone…etc. It sounds like we’re trying to “skirt the rules”…

not an subtle attack on the Holy Eucharist.

OMG, no…it’s not.

but it seems even that is not sufficient for all.

Is it supposed to be? Can we say it’s probably sufficient for the majority (which, IMHO is more important).

 

[pnewton]

It sounds like we’re trying to “skirt the rules”…

No. The rules permit a televised Mass, as long as no more than ten people are involved. I am not skirting any rules, and am following the direction of the bishop and priest. What is wrong with obeying them? Or is obedience only when there is agreement?

 

[TC3033]

I am not skirting any rules, and am following the direction of the bishop and priest.

By trying to figure out a way around social distancing?

 

[TC3033]

yet prohibit the celebration of Mass.

I don’t think this is true…

I can go through a McDonald’s drivethru and get a cheeseburger with no trouble, but receiving the Body and Blood of Christ is dissuaded and inhibited. My…have we fallen.

Ya ^^^ What (name removed by moderator) said, beat me to it.

 

[aper1]

You think your anecdotal experience is representative of what’s happening nationwide at fast food restaurants?

I never said to dismiss what a Bishop is saying. I said it bothered me and was a travesty. Is it still ok to express disappointment or is that not allowed either?

 

[aper1]

don’t think this is true…

[The attendence] of the celebration of Mass is prohibited. I live in a state where we have a stay at home order. Church doors are locked. How else would you define it?

 

[Emeraldlady]

You think your anecdotal experience is representative of what’s happening nationwide at fast food restaurants?

To offer Communion in drive thru would seriously distort the meaning of the Eucharist in my eyes. The Church has made rules around reception of the Eucharist including only receiving once per day. That is because the attitude of some was more like superstition thinking that was not about grace but quantity. The more you receive the holier you are.

 

[aper1]

To offer Communion in drive thru would seriously distort the meaning of the Eucharist in my eyes.

I never proposed this ridiculous idea or would ever think to. The original point was that our values are misplaced. Things that are of no value are open (things like fast food restaurant, liquor stores, abortion clinics, etc), while the most necessary of all places, the Church, is closed and prohibited (for some, it seems) from attending.

Those are just my disappointments. I am following all directives, the Church and the state.

 

[EXdrinker]

What on earth is wrong with a priest saying mass for his people if he wants to? If a priest wants to say mass should he not have that opportunity?

How are saints made these days? Simply sit at home and you will be sainted.

 

[aper1]

What is not appropriate is to infer that the Bishops are in the wrong for not allowing public celebration of the Mass at this time.

What you choose to infer is not my problem. The orders and guidance come from the government. The Bishops are following what they are either being advised or in some cases mandated. I don’t fault the Bishops at all, not have I stated so.

The sophistry in this thread is near overwhelming.

 

[aper1]

Do workers not count as people or so long as we get our fix it’s permissible?

 

[TC3033]

OK…so the attendance is prohibited…that’s different.

What state? I’d like to review this order.

 

[Convert3]

What on earth is wrong with a priest saying mass for his people if he wants to? If a priest wants to say mass should he not have that opportunity?

If people congregate they will spread the virus and people will die. Parishioners will die and priests will die. Why is that so hard to understand? Many priests and parishioners are high risk because of age or other conditions. Those who are healthy but carriers can spread it to others. Priests that die can never say mass again. About two weeks ago I read an article that stated sixty priests in Italy had already died. This virus is nothing to gamble with.