To add to what hlgomez said. The Danish have a saying: “beloved Children have many names.” Mary is a most beloved daugher of God so it’s appropriate she would have many titles. I know this is anecdotal. But it’s mine.
I agree. If Protestants are such predators and if all they want to do it set snares for Catholics, why doesn’t the Catholic church start another Inquisition to exterminate the world of such a threat? With the hundreds of years that the Catholic church hunted down, persecuted, tortured, and killed those who would not adhere to the doctrines of the Catholic church, is it any wonder that the descendents of those people would have animosity and contempt toward the Catholic church? Yet, the Catholic church claims that it is the continuation of the church founded by Christ, despite its gross crimes for hundreds of years against humanity. Are you people serious?
In what version of the Bible does it say, “Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you”? I have not found it in any version I have looked in. I have found the following in the Luke 1:28 of the Catholic Version of the NRSV, “And he came to her and said, ‘Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.’” But being favored does not make you without original sin.
I see a system here of throwing everything including the kitchen sink into this thread. The objections are too many to deal with at one time - if you are seeking truth and are willing to hear what is said, maybe this should be a new thread?
The Douay-Rheims, for one:
I finally focused my eyeballs on the problem. I shouldn’t have used the offending pronoun “they,” which would mean all Protestants. I should have written "some may lay a trap for you, some are predators. " I didn’t mean to indict all Protestants in my statement. Many, many are loving Christians and are definitely not predators. But I was trained in predatory tactics, and there are many more like me out there, waiting to rob Catholics of their faith.
Straw man argument - Catholicism doesn’t teach that Mary dies for your sins.
Catholics and Protestants are separated by a common language. We use words differently, and the same words may have a different meaning – “grace” for example. We also have different worldviews. It makes a huge difference how one perceives reality if one believes in Total Depravity, for example. The Catholic sees man as only a little lower than the angels – wounded by original sin but basically very good. A little baptismal water and he’ll be regenerated – restored to the condition of Adam and Eve before the fall by Sanctifying Grace. Many Protestants believe that man has no free will and that even his prayers are displeasing to God because of the Fall. As Luther put it, man is like a “snow-covered dunghill” – covered over with Christ’s righteousness but underneath, he’s still just a pile of manure.
The Ignatius Bible Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition has “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you”
Lk 1:38 "let it be done to me according to your word’ I believe that these words of Mary were necessary for Jesus to be concieved. We can argue that God didn’t need a human to become Jesus but that is the path he chose to experience our daily lives from birth to death. It is how Jesus is totally human and totally God. We know Jesus to be completely sinless. His human nature would have to be sinless for that to be true. That human nature came from Mary, who also would have had to be sinless, hence “Full of Grace”. If Mary had said “No” to The Angel then there would not have been an Incarnation, at least at that point. Then Simeon told Mary that a sword would pierce her soul also (Lk 2:35) To me this means suffering. For our sins as Jesus did? No, but she suffered our Lords Passion along with Him. She shared in Jesus life and death in a very special way and that is why, in my humble opinion, we should venerate her more than any other created being.
Here Jesus specifically changes the topic from Mary to God. No polite ‘thanks’ or thumbs up; instead we are given a contrast between Mary’s election and God’s will. It would seem Mary’s position is completely subordinate. This does not reflect Catholic dogma.
Well, that’s a mighty big “IF” !!!
Mary’s position in catholic Dogma is subordinate to God. But she was also honored more highly than any other creature by God in being chosen as the mother of the Son Incarnate. Who else has been honored by God to such an extent?