Disturbing Night At Youth Mass! Please Read

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Gregory,

I have been extremely overwhelmed myself at the sheer lack of reverence in the church. I joined the church this year, and I truly believe in the presence of the Lord in the Eucharist. This is an extreme abuse in the church, not just at this parish, but within many parishes, ***and it saddens my heart immensely. ***

And your views about this has nothing to do with your lack of love for the youth as another member posted. We all care about the youth, and therefore, if we care enough, it should sadden us that they are behaving disrespectfully in the church, and we should not be afraid that we will step on somebody’s toes. Whether you volunteer or not with the youth, simply has nothing to do with the abuse that is happening repeatedly in parishes.

Until we all stand up for what we believe in, how can we call ourselves followers of Christ! Yes, Christ did mingle with sinners, but He also told us to turn from our sins, and to me, abuse in the church is sin.

If people would truly and literally believe as I do, and as many other CONSERVATIVE Catholics believe, that Christ is truly present in the Tabernacle, then we would all practice reverence in the church. We should be falling on our faces. Talking and playing are for outside and lesisure times. Mass is not a lesisure activity to me. I bet if you could actually see Christ, I wonder then how much talking would be going on? So, until people get back to the real belief that He is truly present in “His” house, we will continue to see abuses such as this.

Everybody wants to sugar-coat things and be too accepting and not speak out about it. There must come a time when people want to get back to the basics of a conservative way of life. It is very disheartening to go into God’s house and kneel to pray, and constantly be distracted. And I am not going to sugar-coat that for anyone, including the youth. Ask my own children.

Gregory, pray about it along with all the others that want to return to a true reverence in the church. I’ll continue to pray for this, too. And always keep your mind focused on Him. I will not lose site of my beliefs because others want to have Christ their way or no way. Gregory, it pleases my heart for this 37 year-old mom and grandmother to see someone your age with a true love of Christ. You’ll never go wrong in Him.

Sincerely,
 
Originally posted by Adam:
I speak to people my age and younger (im just 20 btw) and their sentiments are exactly the same. Religion isnt cool, but young people dont want it to be! Old people trying to appeal to young people by going “Bo - lets do the Jesus rap” will fail 98% of the time. Young people want to be taken seriously - if you present something seriously, they will take it seriously. If you present a ‘groovy’ social gathering, they will treat it that way.
lefthand36 writes: 😉

Adam,

All I can say is, Amen! Amen! and Amen! That was a wonderful post. No one could have said that better. I pray that my children will appreciate the Mass the way you do, and know that there should always be reverence in the church. My two yougest are 11 and 8 years old, and I constantly remind them that we are in God’s house. I have taken my youngest child to the cry room before and explained that she is not to talk or play in church. After two times, she finally got the point, and now she seems to listen at Mass more. My 11 year-old son has always had deep admiration for the Eucharist.

You are right. If you want teens, or anyone, to take you serious, then you have to be serious about your beliefs, too. I couldn’t be more serious about anything in my life, and that is why I feel so passionately about this topic.

I don’t want a social gathering. I want a church where Christ is truly present and glorified. What better service than to glorify Him with reverence! People can always talk after Mass. That is what I do.

God bless you dear one.
 
betcha none of that irreverence would of happened at a sspx Mass!
 
Adam,

Sorry but I copied and pasted part of your original message. I have not figured out how you guys get the added effects with shaded area included in your post when you reply specifically to someone’s previous post.

Maybe I will figure it out soon.

God Bless,
 
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lefthand36:
Adam,

Sorry but I copied and pasted part of your original message. I have not figured out how you guys get the added effects with shaded area included in your post when you reply specifically to someone’s previous post.

Maybe I will figure it out soon.

God Bless,
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I think I figured it out. You use the little button at the bottom.

Sincerely,
 
I figured it out. You use that little button at the bottom called “quote.” Too good. That is a great feature, so is the editing button.

Sincerely,
 
That is disgusting, please let us all know what Parish and the name of that priest, he should be defrocked
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cleofet:
I don’t think we should be so critical of a Mass that is suited a little more to the younger people but I do agree it should and can still be respectful even if some people can’t appreciate the type of music used to worship. As for the picture above maybe what should be happening here and anywhere else any sort of lack of respect happens is that the Priest or other adult should step in and explain that lounging around the Alter anytime is not the respectful thing to do. It is not just teenagers that do this sort of thing though. I am in a choir and we practice in Church one night a week. Sometimes some of us get a little rowdy. Our Choir director has to take us to task for it when it happens. I don’t think it is being done purposely but we all need to remember whose house we are in. 🙂
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aspawloski4th:
betcha none of that irreverence would of happened at a sspx Mass!
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Correct. Nor did it happen at a lifeteen mass. This is not a picture taken during Mass.
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terrcatholic:
That is disgusting, please let us all know what Parish and the name of that priest, he should be defrocked
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It is good that the judgement of priest is in the hands of the bishop and not the laity. Based on a picture without context, many people invent context in their minds. This type of pre-judgement is contrary to justice.
 
Not to get too offtopic, but I heard that the founder of LifeTeen was suspended.

edit-To clarify, he was suspended over something not dealing with liturgy. Don’t remember what the allegations are so I won’t post them.
 
pnewton. so are you sugesting we let priests get away with whatever than? sound like thats your attitude to me.
 
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aspawloski4th:
pnewton. so are you sugesting we let priests get away with whatever than? sound like thats your attitude to me.
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Not “whatever” There is a time to report actions and a method to do so (outlined in Redemptionis Sacramentum). This should only include problems we have personal knowledge of, as opposed to hearsay, rumor or forum postings. But report should be all we do, not judge.
 
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lefthand36:
Gregory,

I have been extremely overwhelmed myself at the sheer lack of reverence in the church. I joined the church this year, and I truly believe in the presence of the Lord in the Eucharist. This is an extreme abuse in the church, not just at this parish, but within many parishes, ***and it saddens my heart immensely. ***

And your views about this has nothing to do with your lack of love for the youth as another member posted. We all care about the youth, and therefore, if we care enough, it should sadden us that they are behaving disrespectfully in the church, and we should not be afraid that we will step on somebody’s toes. Whether you volunteer or not with the youth, simply has nothing to do with the abuse that is happening repeatedly in parishes.

Until we all stand up for what we believe in, how can we call ourselves followers of Christ! Yes, Christ did mingle with sinners, but He also told us to turn from our sins, and to me, abuse in the church is sin.

If people would truly and literally believe as I do, and as many other CONSERVATIVE Catholics believe, that Christ is truly present in the Tabernacle, then we would all practice reverence in the church. We should be falling on our faces. Talking and playing are for outside and lesisure times. Mass is not a lesisure activity to me. I bet if you could actually see Christ, I wonder then how much talking would be going on? So, until people get back to the real belief that He is truly present in “His” house, we will continue to see abuses such as this.

Everybody wants to sugar-coat things and be too accepting and not speak out about it. There must come a time when people want to get back to the basics of a conservative way of life. It is very disheartening to go into God’s house and kneel to pray, and constantly be distracted. And I am not going to sugar-coat that for anyone, including the youth. Ask my own children.

Gregory, pray about it along with all the others that want to return to a true reverence in the church. I’ll continue to pray for this, too. And always keep your mind focused on Him. I will not lose site of my beliefs because others want to have Christ their way or no way. Gregory, it pleases my heart for this 37 year-old mom and grandmother to see someone your age with a true love of Christ. You’ll never go wrong in Him.

Sincerely,
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Amen, amen, amen! You get what so many people don’t–that Christ is really and truly present in the Eucharist, and because of that we should be humble and reverent in His presence. Our society has lost this sense of holiness, humility, and the sacred.

Where did it go? I think the attitudes from the 60’s and 70’s pervades our parishes among adults who are running things. They want to be hip. They want to be their teenager’s buddy. They don’t want to be seen as a disciplinarian–i.e., a parent. That’s why we have to jazz up special masses for teenagers to get them to come–because their parents didn’t impress on them early on that mass is a sacred and holy thing. They let their kids dress like they were going to the beach, or they didn’t make their kids go to mass at all. We are only reaping what we have sown. It has to start at home.

Some parents give up too easily. They give in to their kids to keep the peace. But being tough on this one does work. We do it at our house. Sunday is the Sabbath. We dress nicely for church. We schedule around church, not the other way around. We don’t take toys or food to mass. The kids fuss at first but eventually learn. They learn that mass is a place of holiness, humility, and reverence. In other words, Sunday’s are important–church is important. It’s not a choice. It’s expected. We treat it with respect, not like a party or a concert–not a place for entertainment. They learn that mass is special, not ordinary, and we treat it as such.
 
well its natural to judge. I would report something like that. remeber this is not a court of law I can blieve whatever heresay I want to believe, and I believe what I read in the orignal post. as for judging, if one were a parent of teenagers and belongs to this parrish, they would have to judge one way or annother, in deciding wwether to let their children got to this travesty of a Mass or not. myself I wouldnt let a kid of mine with in a miles of a Mass like this.
 
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aspawloski4th:
well its natural to judge. I would report something like that. remeber this is not a court of law I can blieve whatever heresay I want to believe, and I believe what I read in the orignal post. as for judging, if one were a parent of teenagers and belongs to this parrish, they would have to judge one way or annother, in deciding wwether to let their children got to this travesty of a Mass or not. myself I wouldnt let a kid of mine with in a miles of a Mass like this.
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I understand and every parent must protect their children. Keep the facts straight, though. This was not a Mass, neither was it part of a Mass. Our CYO watches the Super Bowl, which is inappropriate for Mass, but fine for recreation. Washing bare feet is fine as part of an object lesson outside of Mass.
 
Chris,

Thank you, or really thank Christ, because those gifts of honor go to Him. He gives every good gift, and I pray I never lose sight of them.

It does my heart good to know that people with conservative views are not alone in the world. Keep your eye on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit forever and always.

His peace,
 
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robertaf:
Greetings,

Well, I am 68 years old, a convert, a mom and a grandmother and I think you were out of line.

Those kids and the congregation is not what makes Jesus present in the Holy Euchatist. The Holy Spirit does. Jesus was present, whether you liked what was happening or not. The Mass is not only for you, but for the entire Body of Christ. These kids, in this day and age need Jesus very badly.

I work for the Welfare Department of my county and before this worked for the Department of Child Support Services. Everyday, I see kids who need the Lord badly. I see pregnant teens, homeless kids, you name it. Kids who are abused, abandoned or just needy. I see kids who are in trouble with the law and kids needing protection. The greatest thing these kids, teenagers could have happen is an openess to Holy Mother Church and the Holy Spirit. Jesus knew how to approach them and even said “woe to you who would prevent one of these wee ones to come to me.” He was very direct and threatening about this.

These kids you talked about were in Church, not out on the street. Lots of Catholic kids are off in Evangelical Churches where they are made to feel welcome. Your kids were in the Catholic Church.

I thank the Lord there is a Catholic Parish, that is willing to take the griping and judging of parishioners to reach out to the foks needing this offer of Love and acceptance. I pray the kids in my own family would be able to find such a place. My own kids didn’t and had to go off to evangelical congregations to find that kind of Christian fellowship.

Shame on you for thinking your form of worship is the only one or the most reverant or most holy.
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No offense, but this is not correct. If I went by this logic, I ride a motorcycle, poeple on motorcycles need Jesus too, therefore, I should be able to bring my motorcycle to a Mass held in the parking lot.
You are right that kids need Jesus VERY badly as do I and eveyone else alive or dead, but it is not for us to bring God to the level of human whims and desires. We instead need to try and bring our standards up to God’s level…Jesus said to be perfect as He is (God).
No, the answer to the problem you present is the leadership. The LEADERSHIP is where the answer is. We need truely Holy priest and bishops to take control, not apathetic ones or those who bow to the pressure us laity crave when we want things “our way”…We should be changing ourselves to fit the example of Jesus.
 
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pnewton:
Correct. Nor did it happen at a lifeteen mass. This is not a picture taken during Mass.

It is good that the judgement of priest is in the hands of the bishop and not the laity. Based on a picture without context, many people invent context in their minds. This type of pre-judgement is contrary to justice.
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By the way it has been on the news that the FOUNDER of “lifeteen” has been “accused.”
 
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aspawloski4th:
betcha none of that irreverence would of happened at a sspx Mass!
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yes, but the sspx is NOT recognized by ROME and though a sspx mass may be valid it is illicit and the priests there have NO faculties even to hear confessions though they STILL confess=an INVALID confession.
 
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pnewton:
I understand and every parent must protect their children. Keep the facts straight, though. This was not a Mass, neither was it part of a Mass. Our CYO watches the Super Bowl, which is inappropriate for Mass, but fine for recreation. Washing bare feet is fine as part of an object lesson outside of Mass.
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I think some people are missing the point. The washing of the feet is not the problem. It is the lounging around the Alter. It doesn’t matter if it is after Mass or what day of the week it is. This is still God’s house and He is still present. A little respect please!!!
 
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