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Nepperhan
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Then we can forcibly baptize some Muslims?
We should practice the respect of ensuring freedom of religion to all.
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We should practice the respect of ensuring freedom of religion to all.
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upant
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who says forcibly baptize anyone? we share, the Holy Spirit does the rest and people can reject HimThen we can forcibly baptize some Muslims?
Islam and Christianity have direct opposite beliefs over who Jesus is, only one can be true. If I believe in Jesus as part of the Trinity I need to speak to all my Muslim friends and plant a seed.
freedom of religion doesn’t stop us from preaching to others.We should practice the respect of ensuring freedom of religion to all.
why would I want someone to die not having heard the truth?
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Nepperhan
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Why stop at preaching? Forcibly make them listen to our religious teachings. Forced baptisms are next!freedom of religion doesn’t stop us from preaching to others.
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upant
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It is a prayer to the FatherIt was the Lord’s Prayer…definitely not a Jewish prayer
what is wrong with the prayer?
where does it go afoul of the Jewish religion?
In his book Jesus and the Judaism of His Time, University of Toronto scholar Irving Zeitlin cites line-by-line parallels between the Lord’s Prayer and the Jewish mourner’s prayer, the Kaddish (“May (God) establish His kingdom during our lifetime and during the lifetime of Israel”), the Eighteen Benedictions (“Forgive us our Father, for we have sinned” is the sixth blessing), Talmudic prayer (“Lead me not into sin or iniquity or temptation or contempt,” goes one) and other Hebrew scriptures in which we find “Give us this day our daily bread.”
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upant
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because we are followers of Jesus.Why stop at preaching? Forcibly make them listen to our religious teachings. Forced baptisms are next!
we have our role and the Holy Spirit has His,
not difficult
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Pattylt
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It’s a traditional Christian prayer. It’s not a Jewish prayer. It’s not the words that are the problem…it’s that it’s a command from Jesus.what is wrong with the prayer?
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The Jews are commanded to say certain prayers…the Shema is an example. Consider if your children were forced to say a Muslim prayer even if the words are acceptable?
It was the forced nature of school prayer that was the big issue. Only the Christian prayer was said. No one should be forced to say another’s religious prayer.
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upant
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yes, that is often the excuse, even though it is very similar to Jewish prayer.It’s a traditional Christian prayer
yet, wasn’t Jesus also a Jewish preacher? Did he not preach in the temple? did he not instruct the leaders of his time? at the time the prayer was given it wasn’t a Christian prayer. it was a prayer like John gave his followers. Jesus gave it to his followers, who were Jews.
if the words are acceptable, it doesn’t matter who the author is.Consider if your children were forced to say a Muslim prayer even if the words are acceptable?
the Jews, Muslims, and Christians all believe in one God. isn’t that what the ecumenical movement is about? a unity between religions and people in general, in a non-sectarian, non-denominational sense.
the Our Father or something similar would be a prayer all 3 religions could get behind
it was part of teaching morals.It was the forced nature of school prayer that was the big issue.
the lack of moral teaching in our schools is one reason our society is breaking down.
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Nepperhan
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That’s laughable. Consider how many folks wanted to prevent the teaching about Arabic numerals in the schools.if the words are acceptable, it doesn’t matter who the author is.
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Pattylt
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All I can say further is that the Jews did not agree. The atheists made a good case as well though there were few of them publicly at the time.
The Lords Prayer doesn’t teach much in the way of morals, btw. It’s a prayer to God to bring the Kingdom, a plea for food and for asking God to forgive our sins and temptations. As I said, it’s not the words, it’s a classic example of Christian domination which is, of course, perfectly fine with Christians and no one else.
You perhaps would be fine with a Muslim prayer being said every morning in school but I doubt that Christianity in general would be.
The Lords Prayer doesn’t teach much in the way of morals, btw. It’s a prayer to God to bring the Kingdom, a plea for food and for asking God to forgive our sins and temptations. As I said, it’s not the words, it’s a classic example of Christian domination which is, of course, perfectly fine with Christians and no one else.
You perhaps would be fine with a Muslim prayer being said every morning in school but I doubt that Christianity in general would be.
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Victoria33
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We see what the UK and Europe has become, they’ve turned away from G-d, and now, they have big problems. No, we have freedom of religion, we are not forcing it on anyone.
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ThinkingSapien
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Some people, because of their allegiance to God, do not pledge to the flag.It’s indicative of the Democratic Party’s hostility towards religion.
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Victoria33
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And what does that have to do with the original statement?Some people, because of their allegiance to God, do not pledge to the flag.
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ThinkingSapien
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I acknowledge what I think you are pointing out. It is barely related.And what does that have to do with the original statement?
It doesn’t have any implication on whether or not democrats are hostile to religion. At least not directly. I shared it more for personal reasons. I have a friend that is of one of those religions that does not pledge. It was taken as being in opposition to country and God.
What probably have been more related would be one of the religions for which “under God” might have specifically been a problem. Someone mentioned earlier the case that resulted in prayer in school nolonger being compulsory. One of the lawsuits behind that case was a person that had religious conflicts with the prayer the school wanted him to say. He would have had less conflict with a secular invocation.
I do think it is worth considering that invocations of God has different meanings to different people. Flexibility in saying “under God”, it or not saying it, or the option to not pledge may be necessary for inclusion of various religions and religious dispositions.
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upant
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it is better than teaching anything-goes as we see in our schools today.The Lords Prayer doesn’t teach much in the way of morals,
do you think a prayer should be judged by something other than its words?That’s laughable.
the seed should be planted early, everyone needs salvation
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Pattylt
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From your perspective, certainly not mine and millions of others. That’s why religion belongs in the home and at church but not in a multicultural secular society. Not everyone feels the need for salvation in spite of Christians saying we do. Keeping secular and religion separate is what makes it possible for us to live amongst each other. Start crossing the lines and nothing good comes of it. You’ll wind up saving a few souls for the price of chaos.the seed should be planted early, everyone needs salvation
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Pattylt
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Not in secular schools.
Where ever people think they should be able to publicly evangelize, you will have to also agree to allow Muslims, Hindus, JWs, and atheists the same
Where ever people think they should be able to publicly evangelize, you will have to also agree to allow Muslims, Hindus, JWs, and atheists the same
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Victoria33
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Community standards and pluralities do also count though.
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Pattylt
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Oh, it was always an issue, just not to Christians. There is a loss of Christian privilege happening now and many Christians interpret it as Christian persecution. It’s not, it a loss of a privileged position previously had. It’s hard for Christians to accept but it’s celebrated by all non Christians everywhere. It’s a leveling of the playing field. Christians may not like it but they will have to accept it, nonetheless.
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Victoria33
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No, no one said that. I could recant with hyperbole myself but I won’t.
Individual rights are respected, other people’s faith is respected.
Yes, we had the Pledge but the war came and it probably has something to do with that.
I’d be wary of those who also wish to take God out of the public arena, we have freedom of religion, not from religion.
Individual rights are respected, other people’s faith is respected.
Yes, we had the Pledge but the war came and it probably has something to do with that.
I’d be wary of those who also wish to take God out of the public arena, we have freedom of religion, not from religion.
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Pattylt
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You don’t think atheists should have a freedom from religion? Everyone must have a religion, no one may be free from it? Or, did you mean something else? Could you explain?I’d be wary of those who also wish to take God out of the public arena, we have freedom of religion, not from religion.
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