DNC delegates drop 'under God' from Pledge of Allegiance

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I agree.

I suppose this is happening somewhere. I have mixed feeling about this. If the community is no longer predominantly Christian and they vote to remove it, then it should be removed. A lone atheist should not.

I’m not sure what country you are talking about. The US was founded on secular principles and purposely did not make God part of the constitution. The majority of our founding fathers were deists at best and believed in Providence. The plurality of christian religions at our founding was already causing strife.

But, they’re every bit as a American as you are. Why can’t they try to fix the problems they see?
 
it isn’t a religion class. it is morning prayer. It is a prayer to the Father, it isn’t about a single group. the main 3 religions have a single God.
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Not everyone feels the need for salvation in spite of Christians saying we do.
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absolutely, this is why it is important to reach the people who may not get the seed at home.
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Not in secular schools.
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is it okay to teach anything-goes? no morals at all

as we see secular morals change, they have no foundation especially when the Dems remove God from their platform as they have done before and are starting to do again by removing Him from meetings.
 
upant said:
is it okay to teach anything-goes? no morals at all
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Morality is another thread…

Let’s just say that millions of people believe you can have morality without God. You do not.
 
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You don’t think atheists should have a freedom from religion? Everyone must have a religion, no one may be free from it? Or, did you mean something else? Could you explain?
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1st amendment of the Constitution, Freedom of Religion.

I would not feel comfortable say, if I were in a predominantly Amish area and telling them what they can and what they can not pray in school.
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Teach anything-goes? no morals at all

as we see secular morals
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The public schools can teach some outlandish things from news stories I have read. There should not be a double standard. I understand it is a sensitive subject.
 
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The “Pledge” is not a prayer.

With this same logic it seems one could reason on taking “In God we trust” off of our currency, the reasoning against the pledge seems similar.

This should not begin to be removing God in our system.
 
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It’s from the 1950s after a horrendous war that killed tens of milliins

So, I see no reason to say how long “under God” has been in it

It’s a good reminder.
 
You set up rhetorical questions. We should not be forcing religion into others’ lives in the pluralistic society in which we live. Freedom of religion is for everyone.
 
FWIW, the currency is actually written in Latin so no one will walk around screaming “Annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum” and know that it has reference to a Supreme Being.
 
I remember a joke about “in God we trust” being on our currency and the punch line was, “ all others pay cash! 😂

Ok, not brilliant but it was funny at the time…

Due to the Red scare, proclaiming God on our currency and in our pledge was considered a jab at communism. That’s actually the reason…it seemed to calm down the many Americans that were deathly afraid of communism and it assured them that America was still Gods country. I suppose if it calmed their fears, it was worth it. The question today is, “is it still needed?” If it still makes people feel more secure in America not becoming communist, I have no problem leaving it there…at least on money. Since many people seem to worship money over God, perhaps a reminder of where their loyalties should be is a good service. For the Pledge, it’s a bit more serious as making a pledge is a more serious activity. The JWs certainly think so and atheists and non God religions agree.
 
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The question today is, “is it still needed?”
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I always thought it was borderline blasphemous seeing that the government prints money without any backing. We can’t ask God to approve of counterfeiting which is what it is.
 
I am surprised [unless I was distracted or just missed it reading through the posts] that no one has brought up the fact that the Knights of Columbus were instrumental in getting the “under God” added to the Pledge of Allegiance. The KOCs began using the Pledge of Allegiance including the words ‘under God’ several years before the bill was passed and signed into law. They wrote to members of Congress and to the President urging the adoption the additional words.

The KOCs is a great organization that helps those in need food, fund assistance to help people pay rent utilities, buy food. They promote respect for life from conception to natural death - very pro-Life!. And they support local parishes, support of Church teaching. They promote strong families and fatherhood. They support scouting and clergy. They work with fatherless and inner city youth and provide scholarships to Catholic elementary and high schools. KOCs are awesome - regardless of the anit-Catholicism of the likes of Kamala Harris.
 
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1st amendment of the Constitution, Freedom of Religion.
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For First Amendment purposes, atheism is treated as a religious position/classification with equal standing as any other religion.
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The “Pledge” is not a prayer.
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By the time I was in high school the pledge was nolonger mandatory. It was recognized that between personal convictions and religious conflicts, not everyone wanted to participate in the pledge.
 
I rarely said the pledge growing up and no one gave me a hard time. I’m fairly conservative and I’ve been in the military for almost a decade now and it still weirds me out, honestly. What does it mean to pledge allegiance to a flag? Why would we have young kids swear an oath to their country every day? I love America, I’d gladly die for it, and to be clear if there’s a pledge I’d prefer it mentioned God, but isn’t it kind of gross to indoctrinate children in such a way? I fly a flag at my house daily but it’s not SACRED to me, despite what anyone says. It’s an image on fabric and guess what, the country it represents is a random mass of land that will one day be owned by someone else with different ideas from our own. Who knows what flag they will use, maybe ours. Probably shouldn’t pledge allegiance to a flag then.
 
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no one has brought up the fact that the Knights of Columbus were instrumental in getting the “under God” added to the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Might as well throw all the Evangelicals into that mix, which no doubt helped politicize everything you can think of.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
For First Amendment purposes, atheism is treated as a religious position/classification with equal standing as any other religion
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Where is this law or court case written please? I will look it up.
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By the time I was in high school the pledge was nolonger mandatory. It was recognized that between personal convictions and religious conflicts, not everyone wanted to participate in the pledge.
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The pledge is not a prayer, I guess that’s debatable.
Again, if one is in Pennsylvania and in a predominantly Amish area, I don’t think we should have some person from Washington DC telling them what they can say or can not say.

My understanding is there are a number of religious communities, not just Amish, in the US and I don’t see it as the Federal Government’s job to dictate what they can and can not say .
 
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It’s an image on fabric
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that image on fabric represents to me the boys who gave all in Vietnam and came back draped in it. especially my buddies brother, his dad raised that flag every day, that was all he had of his son.
 
I wonder how many rioters believe in God.

The Democratic Party’s efforts to remove the idea of God from the public square has its unfortunate consequences.
 
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You don’t think atheists should have a freedom from religion?
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Why should they? Should anarchists have freedom from government? Should Amish have freedom from women wearing makeup? It’s not hurting the atheists.

But we need to recognize, on the other hand, that too heavy a hand or too sectarian a practice invites other sectarianism. I would not want my children to have to say a prayer to Allah or Satan out of “fairness” to all religions.
 
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