Do all Christians have to become Catholic prior to entering heaven?

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**ON THE PEOPLE OF GOD **
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
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John Paul II, Encyclical Letter Redemptoris missio
Ioannes Paulus PP. II
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CHAPTER V - THE PATHS OF MISSION /#50 -
….Ecumenical activity and harmonious witness to Jesus Christ by Christians who belong to different churches and ecclesial communities has already borne abundant fruit. But it is ever more urgent that they work and bear witness together at this time when Christian and para-Christian sects are sowing confusion by their activity. The expansion of these sects represents a threat for the Catholic Church and for all the ecclesial communities with which she is engaged in dialogue. Wherever possible, and in the light of local circumstances, the response of Christians can itself be an ecumenical one.
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CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
ON SOME ASPECTS OF EVANGELIZATION
Pope Benedict XVI, December 14, 2007

1….The Apostles, therefore, “prompted by the Spirit, invited all to change their lives, to be converted and to be baptized”,[1] because the “pilgrim Church is necessary for salvation”.[2] It is the same Lord Jesus Christ who, present in his Church, goes before the work of evangelizers, accompanies it, follows it, and makes their labours bear fruit: what took place at the origins of Christian history continues throughout its entire course.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church

Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation."320
837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"321
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist."324
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
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**The Church and non-Christians **
839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329
840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:
All nations form but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city. . .331**
843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332
844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333**
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.334

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**“Outside the Church there is no salvation” **
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336**
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337**
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#846
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wooka64 said:
I did some thinking about the bible and terms i learned. i found that

you are a cowered sir. Really syngod of satan LOL. You’r the one

that prays to marry and obey’s the pope like hes some kind of God.

maybe you should check yourself. I beilieve in Jesus and Catholic

believe in Christ. All im getting from your response and people like you is that getting is that The Catholic Chucrh is Hostil twords all other

Christians. the hatered seems like its coming from one way. I

never said anything of the sort about the catholic church being a

false

religion because fundametal we believe the same god. Unless

Catholic dont believe in the Holy tritny then maybe i was
mistaken.

My questin to all Cathlices is what Save you Jesus or the fact

you belong to your church its that simple?
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i have no clue what you are talking about here.

God bless.
 
wooka64 said:
For all those who Replied to my comments I got to say God bless. I don’t agree with you on everything But on the important things I agree with The Catholic church about Jesus.

Wisdom seeker I want to know what SS means? I hate to be left in the Dark about stuff? I think CC is Catholic church.

I belong to the Bathtis Church by the way. its the cloeset i can get to spelling it sorry for my bad spelling on my own domination. LOL
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It means Sacred Scriptures.

God bless
 
oops sorry about that then. I thought you were calling me out or

something.you can disregard some of those stiff in those comments then at

least the one when i called you a coward. All i really wanted to say

was when you a person does not Belong to the Catholic church

one can only go off personal experiences. I thought you were

Judging Me. Well i made my point clear stated many times on the

forms this form. I only get hostil twords a catholic if they get hostile

twords me. If im doing wrong I excpet to be correted by a fellow

christian. I still fail to see in the bible where anyone’s prayed to

marry or why you guys have a pope but it does not matter to me.

as long as we can avoid the Church of God Vs The Church of

God. It’s real stupid to me.
 
It sounds nice but its not the Bible. (correct me if I’m wrong) The only

manuscript I follow is the Holy Bible.I glanced over it but not fully i

guess when i have the time i might take a deeper look at it.

IT looks like it inspired by the bible I can agree with some of what i saw from a quick quick glanced.​

Sorry wisdom seeker.

when you did not reply fast i thought you were calling me out on the

slide I apologizes for my ignorant on the matter . 😦
 
wooka64 said:
oops sorry about that then. I thought you were calling me out or

something.you can disregard some of those stiff in those comments then at

least the one when i called you a coward. All i really wanted to say

was when you a person does not Belong to the Catholic church

one can only go off personal experiences. I thought you were

Judging Me. Well i made my point clear stated many times on the

forms this form. I only get hostil twords a catholic if they get hostile

twords me. If im doing wrong I excpet to be correted by a fellow

christian. I still fail to see in the bible where anyone’s prayed to

marry or why you guys have a pope but it does not matter to me.

as long as we can avoid the Church of God Vs The Church of

God. It’s real stupid to me.
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here is a question for you. can you point out to us any Bible believer church in the first century, third century, fifth century and so forth and their councils?

Lord have Mercy.
 
I can’t know stuff i was not born to see. But I’m sure after Christ died

and Rose again. alot of christian were being killed off by Romans

and Jewish leaders. Only cause the bible tells us about this. From

my limited Knowdge all i can say is when Christianty first got

Organized the Catholic church was formed. So at one point Most all

Christian were Catholic. and thus by a sheer guess the first

christian who were not Organized were not Catholic but Followed

John the bathtist. who was killed by the Romans as well. I cant

Truly answer your question Just going mainly off what happened.

God did ordain Preachers to Preach. so in your case if you are

Catholic Priest right. other then this i Don’t have an answer.
 
I read chapter one in the links you gave me jimmy B and a little of 2

alot of that stuff i already know. But I strickly go on what the bible

says. most of what i read was basically stuff in the bible. Im sure

their was other stuff but i did not read it all. I have a question for you

Jimmy B. DO most Catholics consider other christian sets

christian. For example lets say i wanted to get married to a Catholic

does that mean i have to Convert?
 
wooka64 said:
I read chapter one in the links you gave me jimmy B and a little of 2

alot of that stuff i already know.

But I strickly go on what the bible

says.

most of what i read was basically stuff in the bible. Im sure

their was other stuff but i did not read it all. I have a question for you

Jimmy B. DO most Catholics consider other christian sets

christian. For example lets say i wanted to get married to a Catholic

does that mean i have to Convert?
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I have never seen so many LOST SOULS, groping around in the dark.
Why don’t you start with the Five Solas, described in Wikipedia, and understand why the Protestants broke away from the Catholics. . Then go to jesus-is-savior.com/ and the link at top left [How to go to Heaven]. How old are you?
 
CraigGC said:
I have never seen so many LOST SOULS, groping around in the dark.
Why don’t you start with the Five Solas, described in Wikipedia, and understand why the Protestants broke away from the Catholics. . Then go to jesus-is-savior.com/ and the link at top left [How to go to Heaven]. How old are you?
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What do you mean by “lost souls”?

And, why would you cite a non-Catholic source to try to convince Catholics that they’re wrong…

There are over 2000 years of Catholic sources, including the Church, the Bible, Catholic/Christian-history/traditions, the lives of the Saints, the writings of past and present Popes, Doctors of the Church and Church Father’s.

Moreover, there exits research and writings by past and present Catholic theologians and apologists and so on that all point to Catholicism… Not to mention some of the great works by famous converts to Catholicism, like G.K. Chesterton or Cardinal Henry Newman. Have you read any of their works?

Have you read any of the articles published on the Catholic Answers home page?

Have you read anything by modern Catholic apologists like David Armstrong, Jimmy Akin, Scott Hahn, or even Bishop Fulton J. Sheen?

Let’s keep in mind that the Bible is a Catholic book. You and I wouldn’t be having this discussion, if not for the Catholic Church; the guardian of Christianity for the first 1500 years. The Church who let us know who Jesus is. If not for the Catholic Church, you would’nt even know who Jesus was in the first place.

I understand why you may have Protestant convictions but I believe that most people who have strong convictions, one way or another, on any topic, it’s because their source(s) is/are likeminded or is something that simply re-enforces something that they already believe. .

In other words, I have read many posts, where non-Catholics try to disprove aspects of Catholicism by using an anti-catholic source. Or, cases where non-Catholics try to use a Catholic source, taken out of context to try to disprove an aspect of Catholicism.

I wrote “aspects of Catholicism”, because Catholics share far more in common with Protestants than they disagree.

It might also be helpful for non-Catholics, arguing various aspects of Catholicism to study Christian history and understand the Seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Mass. There is also an online version of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Catholic Encyclopedia. I hope this helps.

I believe that the question here shouldn’t be, “Why Protestants broke away from the Catholics?” but "Why did Protestants break from each other… 36,0000+ times?

There exists more division in Protestantism than there is between Catholics and Protestants and this is especially true when comparing Catholicism to the early versions Protestantism.

Because of the “Protestant” nature of Protestantism, to protest the Catholic Church… they (Protestants) don’t take the time, generally speaking to find the causes of their own divisions.

Your thoughts?
 
CraigGC said:
I have never seen so many LOST SOULS, groping around in the dark.
Why don’t you start with the Five Solas, described in Wikipedia, and understand why the Protestants broke away from the Catholics. . Then go to jesus-is-savior.com/ and the link at top left [How to go to Heaven]. How old are you?
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Welcome to CAF!
 
CraigGC said:
I have never seen so many LOST SOULS, groping around in the dark.
Why don’t you start with the Five Solas, described in Wikipedia, and understand why the Protestants broke away from the Catholics. . Then go to jesus-is-savior.com/ and the link at top left [How to go to Heaven]. How old are you?
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Jesus is Savior.com is rubbish 😦

If you want to know about the Protestant/Catholic breakaway, go to the history section of any library. Take out books that have been critically reviewed, check out the qualifications and/or credentials of the author. You might even want to ask for several viewpoints, Secular, Catholic and Protestant.

Be discerning - garbage in usually means garbage out.

If you want to know about the Catholic faith you should get several viewpoints and compare, ask other Catholics or a priest or go to vatican.com. You don’t go to an anti-catholic site.

Just as if you want to know about Islam you ask an Imam or other learned Muslims.

You wouldn’t go to the KKK to ask about African American issues:rolleyes:
 
Depends on which line you want to stand in, the Express line or the line for RCIA. 😃
 
I agree with the last two posts here. I think that many newer, non-Catholic Christians denominations are minimalist. I believe that they are examples of having “Christ on their terms” as opposed to having Christ on his terms. They become a member of the “Church of their own intellect”. It is the short line, or the easy way out… or a way of looking for loopholes in Christianity. I’ve seen and heard many examples, where a handful of verses, taken out of context are used in attempt to undermine 2000 years of Catholicism and early Christian history. It’s kind of a fast-food version of Christianity. I think many here, who hold to a “modern” version of non-Catholic Christianity would be very surprised, if they knew that they were actually farther apart in their beliefs with early Protestant denominations , than those early Churches are with Catholicism. I think the problem lies in the errant belief that allows for a rejection of Christian history (traditions). Obviously, Christian history points towards Catholicism, so to take a Bible verse, from a Catholic book out of context to try to disprove an aspect of Catholicism…one also needs to use the verse, out of the context of Christian history (traditions).
 
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