Paul would not rest until a person was saved. If water baptism was required in addition to a profession of faith, Paul would not rest and would make sure that they entered fully into the kingdom. The fact that Paul rested is an indication that they were saved and ready for baptism.Oh, contraire! He is only lamenting because baptism is so essential and required. He is relieved that he did not baptize anyone else, because the disciples were becoming factions. You dont’ want to go here with Paul. No other NT writer is more clear on the regenerative nature of baptism than Paul!
Paul’s gift was preaching. He left the baptisms to his helpers while he got something to eat, and get some sleep.
Which would make for a GREAT new thread, rather than continuing this one on a tangent.From the answers I read from Roman catholics, I believe the statement I said is true. Ralph
You cannot consume Jesus with your mouth. He is not a pill I take once a week.The phrase ““It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing” is taken by many Protestants to mean that we are to make pretend (imagine) that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Jesus Christ, but that, really, they are still just bread and wine.
This is not what Jesus means, however. Rather, He means that when the bread and wine become His body and blood, that they will then be imbued with His Spirit - that it is not only His flesh and blood, but also His spirit and divinity - it is not dead flesh that we consume, but rather, the living Christ that we commune with, in Holy Communion.
How do you know this?You cannot consume Jesus with your mouth. He is not a pill I take once a week.
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So you hold Jesus to His Word on this, and then you ignore what He says repeatedly in John 6.You cannot consume Jesus with your mouth. He is not a pill I take once a week.
Nothing you eat can defile you and nothing you eat can save you.
So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated…?”
Nothing you eat enters your heart, only your stomach.
It is not what goes in your maouth, it is what comes out of your mouth defiles you and what comes out of your mouth that saves you.
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Byzgirl,Back to the original question. Yes, we Catholics do believe in John 6:53…
The Protestants on this forum thread want to accuse us of 'not really believing what Christ said, because we refrain from the conclusion that Protestants who “don’t” partake of that same Eucharist, as damned to hell (according to Christ’s command and warning). That said, it’s possible that some of them will be (according to their knowledge and degree of fulfillment of that command). Most of us are not going to be able to perfectly attain fulfillment on most of God’s commands (for obtaining salvation). We strive to do so. The only one to fulfill all of them, in perfection, is Jesus, the Incarnate One…
Why would we not believe it? The early Church, lead by the disciples of the Apostles, believed it.My question is, do Catholics truly believe the words of Jesus in John 6:53?
Too bad it’s just not a scripture you can wrap your head around. It’s amazing to me that many Protestants take the whole Bible literally until it comes to John six. Then all of a sudden it becomes a metaphor! You can’t have both ways - if you take the literalist stand.You cannot consume Jesus with your mouth. He is not a pill I take once a week.
Nothing you eat can defile you and nothing you eat can save you.
So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated…?”
Nothing you eat enters your heart, only your stomach.
It is not what goes in your maouth, it is what comes out of your mouth defiles you and what comes out of your mouth that saves you.
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
By God, all things are possible.According to the CC, can they be saved? I AM NOT ASKING IF THEY ARE SAVED, I am asking if they CAN be saved in their Jewish faith.
I gave you the verse where Jesus teaches that what goes into the mouth goes only into the stomach and is eliminated. It does not go into the heart and if it does not reach the heart, it cannot change the heart which is the source of adulteries, murders, etc. If it is not able to reach the heart, then it cannot change the heart. If it cannot change the heart, it cannot save a person.How do you know this?
c’moooon … there should be at least one bible study at your Catholic parish.conflicting with the CC due to me not attending because there is no bible study probablly.
After reading your posts, I’ve got to ask:is it better to have the bitterness (revalations) of sin within lawlessness of a single mustard seed of to feed on. id suggest the mustard seed theory id suspect the law of nature
Is that a yes or a no? It sounds like a yes but I am not sure. I am not trying to find any “holes”. I am only trying to understand what the CC teaches and compare that with scripture.By God, all things are possible.
But you’re trying to find some hole in the doctrine that there is no salvation outside the Church. You misunderstand it. “The Church,” in this instance, refers to the mystical body of Christ; not the collection of people who have intentionally been received into the Catholic Church. That is to say: all people in heaven are a part of the Church, but not all of them intentionally and fully entered the Church while living.
so tell us … why then DOES Jesus tell us that if we do not eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no life in us.I gave you the verse where Jesus teaches that what goes into the mouth goes only into the stomach and is eliminated.
Yes, all people can be saved.Is that a yes or a no? It sounds like a yes but I am not sure. I am not trying to find any “holes”. I am only trying to understand what the CC teaches and compare that with scripture.
Welcome. Do you believe that Jesus is talking about the Eucharist here? If so, then do you believe that the only place to obtain the Eucharist is in the CC? If so, why does the CC teach that those outside of the CC can be saved without eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Jesus especially when Jesus said, “Amen, amen I say to you…”?Why would we not believe it? The early Church, lead by the disciples of the Apostles, believed it.