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PRmerger
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Please tell me how you can say Jesus is without sin when it says “ALL” have sinned.
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PRmerger
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Also, what’s the point of showing you other verses in Scripture since you claim it’s not necessary for your salvation to understand them correctly anyway? You’re saved (and Catholics are saved) because we affirm John 3:16.
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jlhargus
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JL: Hb7:11 If therefore perfection were by THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD for under it the people received the law WHAT FURTHER NEED was there THAT ANOTHER PRIEST SHOULD RISE AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISEDEC and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For THE PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED there is MADE OF NECESSITY A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW MALACHI 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and IN EVERY PLACE INCENSE SHALL BE OFFERED unto my name, AND A PURE OFFERING: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. [If the Gentiles are to offer incense and a pure offering they must have a priest to do so. [Hb9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but THE HEAVENLY things themselves with BETTER SACRIFICES than these.] What would be the better SACRIFICES (plural) unless it it that PURE Offering of Christ on the cross, bringing to remembrance to the Father and making that same sacrifice present to God’s people in every age?
1Jn 2:1 My little children these thing write I to you that you sin not. And IF ANY MAN SIN WE HAVE an advocate WITH the Father Jesus Christ the righteous 2 And HE IS THE PROPITIATION for our sins and not for our’s only but also for the sins of the whole world. If any sin, that would be after baptism, present tense, We have and advocate, with the Father, present tense, he is the propitiation, present tense.] How do you answer the following questions?:
Hb 8:1…WE HAVE SUCH AN HIGH PRIEST, set on the right hand of Majesty… What does our high priest do?
What does Christ our High Priest have to offer? Hb8:3…every high priest is appointed to offer gifts AND SACRIFICES…
How does Christ our High Priest offer? Hb8:3…hence THE NECESSITY for this one to have SOMETHING TO OFFER
What is the pure offering from the rising to setting of the sun the Gentiles will offer? Malachi 1:11… the Gentiles in everyplace incense shall be offered…and a PURE OFFERING will be made. Who alone is PURE? The OT sacrifices where clean but not PURE.
How and what does Christ do as minister of the sanctuary? as Hb 8:2 minister of the sanctuary and of that true tabernacle…
What does Christ as our High Priest do to save us? Hb7:25 Therefore he is always able to save …
What does Christ as our High Priest do to interceed for us Hb7:25… seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them. …
What does Christ our High Priest do to mediate for us? Hb 8:6 But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry… mediator of a better covenant
What are the living creatures and elders doing ? Hb5:6 …between the throne with the four living creatures and the elders I saw a Lamb standing…
Why does Christ our High Priest appear between the throne and the living creatures and elders as a lamb slain? Rv 5:6 I saw a Lamb standing as a Lamb that had been slain.
What exactly did Christ our High Priest mean when he said on the cross, it is finished? In 1Cor15:17 Paul says, If Christ be not raised your faith is vain you are yet in your sins.
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Randy_Carson
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No problem. I’ll use Mary as the example, okay.
Mary as Mediatrix Proved From Scripture
The Catholic Church recognizes Mary’s role in salvation history and invokes her under the title of Mediatrix. However, many people struggle to understand how Mary can have this role which they reserve for Christ alone, and they cite the following verse in support of their position:
1 Timothy 2:5-6
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
Let’s look at additional verses to gain a fuller understanding of the role of Jesus as mediator.
Hebrews 7:24-25
because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
Here we see that Jesus “always lives to intercede” for “those who come to God through him.” The role of the mediator and the intercessor are synonymous; a mediator lives to intercede for others.
All Christians are called to be mediators or intercessors for one another because we are all members of Christ’s body as we see from Paul’s letter to the Ephesians:
Ephesians 1:22-23
“And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”
Paul referred to himself as a co-laborer with Christ when he wrote:
1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God’s fellow workers.
Paul went further in his understanding of our responsibility as co-laborers with Christ when when he wrote:
Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
Is anything lacking from the perfect sacrifice that Christ offered upon the Cross? Paul clearly indicates that more is to be done and that he makes up what is “still lacking” in his own flesh.
2 Corinthians 1:6
If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation
Additionally, we know that we are called to share in the priesthood of all believers (cf. 1 Peter 2:5-9), and a priest, by definition, is called to be a mediator between God and men. Each of us is called to this role and to be a mediator or mediatrix for others before God.
Therefore, if we are all called to this role of mediator and intercessor for one another, how much more can this be said of Mary who said, “Yes” to God and brought Christ into the world?
Speaking of this, the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
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penWindow(‘cr/967.htm’) By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus) of the Church.[968](javascript
penWindow(‘cr/968.htm’) Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”[969](javascript
penWindow(‘cr/969.htm’) “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”[970](javascript
penWindow(‘cr/970.htm’) “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.” “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”
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jlhargus
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JL: Can anyone in your church preach the Word of God? No I do not require God does as the normative way, however God does not require the impossible
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jlhargus
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JL: Can anyone in your church preach the Word of God? No I do not require God does as the normative way, however God does not require the impossible
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ralphy
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Universal means -everywhere. Pretty simple to me. Born again christians ,like myself, are everywhere, they are part of the Body of Christ, those who are saved. These people will be caught up when the rapture occurs unless we are called home individually befor that time. Ralph
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jmcrae
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They are very common in the United States, but they are certainly not “everywhere.” The concept of “born-again Christian” is very much a product of American television evangelism, beginning in the 1960s. It is pretty much unheard-of elsewhere in the world.
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fbl9
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i have been a recipent of the sacrement of reconcillation many times and never once did the priest by himself forgive my sins.
The priest does not mediate between the Father and us but rather between Jesus and us.
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ralphy
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This being “born again” is not a concept, and it is not even “new”. It is in scripture and unless you are born again you will not enter heaven. It’s God’s word, check it out. Ralph
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fbl9
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yes Ralphy Jesus said that “unless you are born again of WATER and the spirit”…note to Ralphy Jesus Himself said one needs to born of water…
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fbl9
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what jm means is those that teach born again in only the spirit.(acting on the reception of a spirit of repentance)
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BereanRuss
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Mathew 16:18-19 has nothing to do with the religious leaders at the time of Jesus and John the Baptist but these verses do….
Then He went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in it, saying to them, "It is written, ‘My house is a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ "And He was teaching daily in the temple. But the chief priests, the scribes, and the leaders of the people sought to destroy Him, and were unable to do anything; for all the people were very attentive to hear Him. [Luke 19:45]
Do you think that those who wanted to destroy Jesus would allow Him to lawfully teach?
If John was licensed to preach by the Jewish leaders why did he say….?
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? [Mat 3:7]
The same was true at the time of Peter…
Now as they spoke to the people, the priests, the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees came upon them, being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening. [Acts 4:1…]
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BereanRuss
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You cannot receive forgiveness of sin apart from confession to a priest. The priesthood (priests, bishops, etc.) do indeed mediate for the sinner for there is no forgiveness apart from regular confession.
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BereanRuss
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…it is impossible for God to lie… [Heb 6:18]
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mikeledes
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In response to your second question, since I do not abide by the Mosaic Law, I did not receive the Holy Spirit through the works of the law. My life if grounded on the principle of fides caritate formata (faith formed by love) and I abide by the Law of Christ (1 Corinthians 9:20-21, James 2:8).
Regarding the your response to the passage in Acts, if you read the context, you will see that those who received the Holy Spirit through the Apostles hands had already believed after hearing Philip preach. So why didn’t Philip lay his hands on these Christians so that they received the Holy Spirit through his hands? Why did those Christians have to wait for the apostles?
Also, you did not respond to my question regarding James 5:14-15
**14Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;
15and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. **
Why does James single out the 'elders of the church" in order to pray for the sick and anoint them with oil so that they will be healed and even have their sins forgiven?
God bless,
Michael
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PRmerger
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That is not true, Russ. We receive forgiveness of sins every time we pray at Mass. Oh, and at Baptism, too.
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mikeledes
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Once again, this is a false statement. The Catholic Church does not teach that you cannot receive forgiveness apart from confession to a priest. Please cite a authoritative Catholic source that makes that claim.
God Bless,
Michael
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PRmerger
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Hi, All…
I haven’t been able to keep up with the thread.
Could someone tell me if Russ/Ralphy every answered NotWorthy’s pointed question, which has been asked at least 3 times:
**How do you read John 6:53 in anyway BUT literal?
In ancient Israel, according to the Psalms, to “eat someone’s flesh”, in a figurative way, was to “loathe and revile” someone.
How can you possibly take John 6:53 figuratively, understanding this? Couldn’t this be the very reason the ancient Jews had so much trouble accepting this hard teaching. **
I haven’t been able to keep up with the thread.
Could someone tell me if Russ/Ralphy every answered NotWorthy’s pointed question, which has been asked at least 3 times:
**How do you read John 6:53 in anyway BUT literal?
In ancient Israel, according to the Psalms, to “eat someone’s flesh”, in a figurative way, was to “loathe and revile” someone.
How can you possibly take John 6:53 figuratively, understanding this? Couldn’t this be the very reason the ancient Jews had so much trouble accepting this hard teaching. **
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BereanRuss
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The incense that the Church offers is not burnt in the church by the priest. The incense that the church is to offer is the prayers of the saints…
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [Rev 5:8]
…and the preaching of the Gospel…
To the one we are the aroma of death [leading] to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things? [2 Cor 2:16]
…and love…
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
… and giving…
Indeed I have all and abound. I am full, having received from Epaphroditus the things sent from you, a sweet-smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God.
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