Do Catholics really want to be aligned with MAGA?

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And we’ve also had pigs who have generally been good for the country. Trump isn’t the first pig to be president, probably not the worst either.
 
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I couldn’t get through the whole thing. Once he said he apologized as if the boys did something wrong, I knew where he was headed. I couldn’t read it.
 
A lot of the things said about Trump come from basically, tabloid journalism. I’m really not going to be in a rush to believe such things are true. They are sensational to sell newspapers.
 
Irishmom2 said:
I couldn’t get through the whole thing. Once he said he apologized as if the boys did something wrong, I knew where he was headed. I couldn’t read it.
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It rather astonished me. The Covington students did nothing wrong, and yet were smeared in the press and even by their own bishop before the facts were clear. They did nothing wrong. But it seems that the newest mortal sin is wearing a MAGA cap.
 
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A lot of it also comes straight from his own tweets.
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And I object to some of his language, cursing and such. That complaint could pertain to many of us. A good percentage of the population unfortunately. Maybe an example could be cited.

As I’ve said, all of us can look in the mirror and find faults, nowadays or in the past.

Again, have some of those criticizing him themselves enabled wrongs per the church? Just wondering.
 
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Hi,

I’m brand new to Catholic Answers and the Forums. I listened to @Trent Horn on EWTN (1/21/19) about the controversy surrounding the kids from Covington, Ky. I have a few rhetorical questions I would like to submit, but my real question is do Catholics or the Catholic church really want to be aligned with MAGA and Donald Trump?

First, let me say I am a solid Roman Catholic and am Pro-Life. Politically, I don’t identify with either of the two major political parties as I believe they are both corrupt. When it comes to national politics, I generally vote a third-party line as a way of ‘voting my conscience’. My answer to those who tell me I’m throwing my vote away is that I would rather vote my conscience than vote for the lessor of two evils.

Anyway, my rhetorical questions are in regards to the Covington kids wearing “Make America Great Again” hats. Do they really know and understand what that means?

To “Make America Great Again”…
• Do the Covington kids align themselves with President Trump’s humanitarian views on immigration and human rights abuse when it comes to separating children from their families?

• Mr. Trump is the epitome of avarice and pride from his personal life to his political ambitions. Do they align themselves with those values and the means of obtaining his goals?

Granted, President Trump ‘claims’ to be Pro-Life and nominated a conservative, pro-life judge to the Supreme Court.
• Do they really believe Mr. Trump is pro-life in his heart given his treatment of women in his private life (sexual assault, abuse, and adultery)? Given his history, it makes me wonder how many women he has impregnated and coerced into having an abortion!

• Do they realize that he may just be pandering to a voting block as a way to get elected?

I agree abortion is a major offense to God in American society and must be stopped but I have to go back to my original question: Do Catholic’s really want to be aligned with Donald Trump and MAGA?
The intent of this question is not to stir up political rants and debates. I would appreciate thoughts regarding the slippery slope of “voting your conscience” and the realities of politics. Voting for the lessor of two evils is still voting for evil. Where do you draw the line?
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Saul murdered thousands of Christians, and then went on to be Saint Paul. Christianity has one main theme: If you repent, you can be forgiven. Trump today, grandfather and loving father and husband, is not the playboy Trump from before. Would you deny him the forgiveness that you claim to believe in?

As for MAGA, there is nothing wrong with wanting to Make America Great Again. The only sad thing is that vile hateful people have tried to brand it as racist when it is nothing of the sort. Trump does not have a racist bone in his body.

As for being pro life: Operation Rescue voted him Pro Life person of the year.Maybe you should ask them why.

Judge not, lest though be judged. If people judged me on my past I’d be going to hell.
 
Do you realize you are inserting your own political bias into what “Make America Great Again” means to these students, and to anyone else who has ever worn a MAGA hat?

Do you realize you are buying a particular narrative of what MAGA stands for?

Have you considered that it is just a campaign hat?
 
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Anyway, my rhetorical questions are in regards to the Covington kids wearing “Make America Great Again” hats. Do they really know and understand what that means?
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Apparently not what you think it means.
I for one believe it to be exactly what it says. Support for policies they believe will make this nation great again.
You are free to ask people exactly what that means.
You are not free to assume what the people mean.
 
Victoria33 said:
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Just playing devil’s advocate:

Isn’t that a bit difficult when some candidates and some parties are anti-abortion but pro-capital punishment?

It leave us in the conundrum of are we pro-life, or just pro-birth; and does the sanctity of human life only apply to some life?

Not an easy situation.
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Yes, it is an easy situation.

The Catholic Church doesn’'t make this distinction That is almost creating one’s own belief system which I am not a part of and only seems to muddle the waters. Comparing 24 men say, executed a year by less than half the states of the US to 1,500,000 abortions a year seems cruel to even consider
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The Church teaches that all life is sacred. It does NOT teach that simply because 24 is a smaller number than 1,500,000, those lives somehow matter less. It does not teach utilitarianism or any other philosophy that accepts the unjust murders of some but not others. One life, one sheep, is sacred.
 
Babaganoush said:
The church has never claimed that all killing is morally evil. There is a just war doctrine, and the church has always taught that a state has the right to kill for the sake of the protection of the society.

What it does claim is that it is always evil to intentionally harm an innocent person. I can’t kill a man who has done no wrong and is not a serious and direct threat to my life. It doesn’t matter what the result is. Even if I were to save ten other people by killing this one man, it would still be evil. Abortion is killing an innocent person. The death penalty isn’t. You could argue that the death penalty isn’t justified under modern circumstances, but it isn’t a knock against being prolife to support it. I tend to oppose the death penalty, because I don’t want any progressive to have the power to take any persons life. They already think they have the right to determine the start of a persons life, I don’t want to give them the idea that they also have the right to determine the end of a persons life.
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gracepoole said:
The Church teaches that all life is sacred. It does NOT teach that simply because 24 is a smaller number than 1,500,000, those lives somehow matter less. It does not teach utilitarianism or any other philosophy that accepts the unjust murders of some but not others. One life, one sheep, is sacred.
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And we can start saying this about those who die in drunk driving accidents, about those killed in texting accidents too. I don’t see why the death penalty is used here as some sort of cover all, we can also include those who are killed in the war on terrorism, guilty and not guilty. If one brings in the death penalty, then why not these others cases. You can bring up torture or the death penalty all you want but the Church specifically mentions the sanctity of life.
As John Paul II reminded everyone involved in civil and legislative affairs, “a law which violates an innocent person’s natural right to life is unjust and as such, is not valid as a law” (EV 90). "Abortion and euthanasia are thus crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection " (EV 73). We are warned in Scripture and by John Paul II that “we must obey God rather than man” (Acts 5: 29 EV 73). Every Catholic who supports intrinsic evils is reminded that they will one day stand before the judgment seat of God and give an account of themselves and how they lived the Gospel of Life.
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The church has pretty much taken the same stand against euthanasia and such. No matter how one wants to include these other cases, the Church emphasizes this and they are non-negotiables. You can say all that is interpretation but above, Pope JPII singles these issues out. It is also in about every Catholic church I have ever been in.

It doesn’t mean I am for the DP, but again, if one starts to arbitrarily bring up these other issues, where does it end?
 
I support Trump’s judicial nominees (although I’m glaring semi-menacingly at one of them right now), I believe that something has to be done about the border (not saying a wall, just saying something), I believe that life must be protected at all stages (which makes me agree with Mike Pence), I don’t think I’d wear a MAGA hat, but in a nutshell, I wouldn’t tell someone else not to.
 
Sorry to say this, but I think a lot of Americans have been brainwashed by the leftist media’s biased propaganda
 
A few years ago, these protesters were arrested for trespassing at a nuclear reactor. Though, I don’t condone the law breaking part, if they saw this as a great moral wrong, then, I totally respect their message. I know nuclear power upsets a lot of people, I’d say this could be seen as a similar dilemma. They see nuclear power as a threat to all mankind.

One could even make cases for gun control and so on. What I do know is the church has emphasized this issue and I mean abortion, euthanasia and so on.
 
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Some in the Church is quick to dish out judgement on boys in MAGA hats.

Would that they would have been as eager to avoid the present scandals that have done more harm than any President or teenage boy ever could!

I’m embarrassed even reading that.
 
True. Better to err on the side of assuming he is. Probably safe to assume everyone on the Popular Media board is too, since I can’t say for sure.

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When a person answers themselves, they barely even count as questions, much less rhetorical ones.
 
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