Do Catholics still support Trump

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I should have been more specific, you can’t buy insurance after an accident and expect them to cover damage from the accident prior to having insurance.
 
I sympathize with the plight but forcing people to pay for/subsidize others through force of government is wrong. Voting for government services isn’t charity. The ACA was a horribly written bill. My own premium tripled since it’s inception. It needs scrapped.
 
Sure, if I a get a ding in my car door while illegally operating my vehicle without car insurance I can’t expect them to cover that ding in my car door. But, if I were then to follow the law after and get insurance, and get in a front end accident, the insurance company would then be mandated to cover the front end damage to my car, regardless of the door ding damage being preexisting to my car.

Why should it be different with health insurance…if a child has cancer and survives when they are 10, for example, why should they be denied future health coverage for a multitude of other ailments that they may face later in life. That’s not even how car insurance works
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
I sympathize with the plight but forcing people to pay for/subsidize others through force of government is wrong. Voting for government services isn’t charity. The ACA was a horribly written bill. My own premium tripled since it’s inception. It needs scrapped.
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I agree that it was a terrible bill.

I agree premiums have gone up.

I agree that people shouldn’t be forced to buy insurance by the government.

But, also, 25 year olds now have coverage under their parents’ plan

Preexisting conditions are covered.

Millions that didn’t have coverage now do.

You can’t let all that go.
 
Depends on how you look at it. I believe charging higher premiums on young healthy people to subsidize older/sickly people to be morally equivalent to theft when done without express knowledge and consent.

One thing I will say in regard to 25 year olds and parents insurance, I’m not really sure why the government is involved in dictating to insurance who or how they can insure. I should be able to add as many people to my insurance of any age or relation as my insurance company is willing to sell a policy for. That is legislation I would support. Opening up insurance sales nation wide, that I would support.

But I won’t support making people subsidize others for “the greater good”
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Depends on how you look at it. I believe charging higher premiums on young healthy people to subsidize older/sickly people to be morally equivalent to theft when done without express knowledge and consent.
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I fear you don’t really understand how health insurance works.
JanSobieskiIII said:
One thing I will say in regard to 25 year olds and parents insurance, I’m not really sure why the government is involved in dictating to insurance who or how they can insure. I should be able to add as many people to my insurance of any age or relation as my insurance company is willing to sell a policy for.
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Yes, and insurance companies didn’t want to allow people 21-25 who were college students or looking for work to have coverage.
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Opening up insurance sales nation wide, that I would support.
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You do realize that health insurance is regulated at the state level? What does nationwide sales even mean? Insurance companies spend a lot of money building networks of providers in a community. They don’t just “sell insurance”.
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But I won’t support making people subsidize others for “the greater good”
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As I said, you really don’t understand health insurance at all.
 
Donald Trump actually tweeted this in response to the North Korean leader saying he had a nuclear button on his desk:

“North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

You people elected a 12 year to be President.
 
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I understand how it works fine. Under the ACA previously uninsured people were dumped into the pool and everyone’s premiums went up to offset the higher probability of those people needing expenses covered. We’ve never had a free market for health insurance, it’s been regulated to death (often at the request of big insurance companies to throttle competition). More government will not solve this issue.

I fear we’re speaking past each other though. I’ll leave it at that.
 
JButky said:
Yes there is evidence and more than just ISIS, and yes, a wall or any adequately controlled border makes it easier to patrol that border. That’s just common sense to be able to control entry points.
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Really? Can you point me towards a source for that?
 
PaulinVA said:
Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”
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What a sickening thing to say.

Trump is basically mocking the millions of starving Koreans.

He’s not just of a normal 12 year old mindset - he’s got the mindset of a 12 year old schoolyard bully.

I hang my head in shame knowing the POTUS makes remarks like this. It makes me feel ashamed of my country which I served.

Anyone with even a shred of human decency should be outraged at such a statement.
 
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I have read the thread. The very Christianity and pro-life commitment is constantly being questioned, even accused of helping to kill babies, because someone did not vote for Donald Trump. That is not opinion, but personal attack. No, I see nothing that comes close directed at the supporters of Donald Trump.
 
Jig_Saw said:
I’m not struggling with this president because I know what he is and what his supporters are. I’m only disappointed in how many there are.
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Truthfully, I was shocked to find out how many racist, bigoted peope there really are. I know there are still unresolved racial/ethnic issues in USA, but I never dreamed that such a racist personn could be elected.
 
Well, all I can say is:
  1. I’m not accusing anyone of anything. I want to have a discussion.
  2. People on any side need to be reflective. I really did not feel great about voting for Trump. I was very upset when he won the primary in no small part because I sat around for 8 years listening to the GOP base complain about Dole, McCain, Bush post 2006 and Romney. And they gave me Trump over Cruz.
No matter how many times I say it though, 3rd Party voters ignore it.
  1. I used to vote 3rd Party. Then I realized my vote wasn’t doing much. If others do then that’s up to them. I can’t see all ends like God can. But I think we need to be reflective about these things otherwise the risk is we end up being useful idiots. If all people can do is blindly support Trump and allow him a free pass on things they’d excoriate Obama over, or if someone just wants to bash Trump so they can tell their Facebook friends about it, then that’s where we are at.
It also needs to be said that voting 3rd Party does not in and of itself make one compliant with abortion or any other issue. Catholic teaching clearly allows flexibility on voting. I’m just not convinced the vast majority of people care enough to properly formulate their consciences.
 
Why are you against people getting medical coverage?
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I’m not “you people”. And that’s a strawman.

You people elected a 12 year to be President.
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Donald Trump is 71.
 
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guanophore said:
Truthfully, I was shocked to find out how many racist, bigoted peope there really are. I know there are still unresolved racial/ethnic issues in USA, but I never dreamed that such a racist personn could be elected.
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I was shocked how little Christian values mean to Christians when they vote, but it has taught me the extent to which people have confused their religion and their politics, willingly being conned by those who offer them a Christianity bathed in hatred and contempt so they can keep their prejudices all in exchange for a few dollars of donations into the collection plate or donations to "catholic’ webmasters that butcher the teaching of Christ
 
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