Do Catholics still support Trump

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sallybutler said:
It would probably be better to say that it is to make some people feel better. There is still the Northern border and all of the coastlines and airports. Don’t forget theat the 9/11 murderers came in through Canada.
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That is not exactly correct. 🙂 Some US politicians didn’t want to take the credit for letting in those terrorists so it had to be someone else’s fault.

“As the 9-11 commission reported in 2004, all of the 9-11 terrorists arrived in the United States from outside North America. They flew to major U.S. airports. They entered the U.S. with documents issued by the United States government and no 9-11 terrorists came from Canada.”

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I know, but when they posted, they had his name. I don’t know what’s going on. Error 502.
 
Salutations,
If one can speak of his behavior and not get angry or agitated, w smoke coming out your ears, say all you want.
But, researching the Pres.’s, most have been unfaithful. Open Mics have caught quite a few in indelicate situations. His optimism and estimates are not lies. I watched the swearing in and I recall crowds back to monument. The photos are not timed. Google earth can do some past shots but I failed. BHO had more ppl! He has his favorite saying,”REALLY, REALLY GOOD!” His policies are great. We want immigrants that are legal. Congress is to redo Immigration reform. DACA will be fine, if we get wall & improved security at borders. Economy is booming. Jobs increased in minority areas.
If he had more respect and not attacks on him and family, his street fighting reactions would be less. God is directing a lot of his paths. Remember to pray for him and his family. PELOSI says she prays every night for him and that his policies will work! If they work, that means the country will be better…
His blurting out his feelings, shows he doesn’t lie. A true liar is more conniving and quiet, so he can manipulate the circumstances.
His fraternity behavior during debates and name calling, were his tactics to knock out competition, psychologically. He said,”IM
NOT STUDYING FOR THESE DEBATES.”
He had to cause discord. His flirtatious ways are tuned down b/c Melanie will kill him!
Plus, w sexual harassment paranoia, He’ll need a signed consent to hug anyone.
Our politicians, do worse behind doors. Established politicians both sides have been fighting him. We put him in b/c he is not corrupt. He loves USA! HE is a shrewd businessman! Our govt. is a business.
He is fresh and wants to move Congress faster. They can move faster. They go slow playing games to get one thing and attach it to something else. Each request should be one issue only. Vote for the wall & then, we’ll vote DACA. The Dems resisting is treasonous. They created a monster that screamed Pelosi out. She started outlandish behavior. Resist! Waters=Impeach and there is no crime. Investigation not stopped or slowed down. Only collusion is Dems w Ukraine and dossier. That is funny!
We are to love all God’s creatures. We may not like some behavior.
God help us, be Your Son, living on earth. Jesus give us Your heart.
In Jesus name.
Amen
 
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I didn’t think that racism was very prevalent either. I was saddened to learn it was during the Obama administration. Any article about Obama on the internet, would inevitably be followed by comments that would be racist.
 
tweedlealice said:
His flirtatious ways are tuned down b/c Melanie will kill him!
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That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

She didn’t kill him when he was bragging about grabbing women and pursuing a specific married woman. They were newlyweds and she was pregnant with Barron.

She didn’t kill him when he bragged to Howard Stern about sex with her, and how he could “feel her up” in public.

He hasn’t ever cared to be careful with his words, he’s not at all worried that Melania will kill him.
 
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Good article. The fines he had to pay as a Casino owner should have been at the beginning of the article though.
 
Does anyone take the HuffPost seriously? They love to use correlation for causation to create a narrative of half truths that are just a calumnious hit squad. They would just as soon tell you that Trump showed he was racist and is a white supremacist because he used white chalk to write on a blackboard.

We have a problem with hate speech because of the lack of journalistic integrity promoting just these types of things. And this is what we get all the time from these type of attempts to mislead peoples minds. (Right out of the Lenin/Alinsky useful idiots playbook ).

It just promotes a hatred of Trump through half, and even false, truths.
 
@JButky
All you can do is trash the link, not what’s in it?
Trump allegedly disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
 
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tweedlealice said:
Salutations

If one can speak of his behavior and not get angry or agitated, w smoke coming out your ears, say all you want…
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I haven’t had smoke coming out my ears yet, so let’s see:
His optimism and estimates are not lies. I watched the swearing in and I recall crowds back to monument
I have my opinions on this, but to be blulnt I do not see why on earth this was such a big deal to him in the first place. Can you explain that?

His blurting out his feelings, shows he doesn’t lie. A true liar is more conniving and quiet, so he can manipulate the circumstances.
This doesn’t even make sense. The truth of a person’s statements have nothing to do with whether the person makes things up on the spot or not. Of course some people make things up on the spot that anyone with an ability to fact-check can tell are lies. That doesn’t make them honest or honestly mistaken. The possibility is open that through carelessness or some other reason they don’t bother with whether or not they’re going to be caught.

Maybe you have never known an adult who just blurts out whatever he thinks will make him look good, whether it is true or patently false or something in-between. I have. Believe me, this isn’t impossible.

His fraternity behavior during debates and name calling, were his tactics to knock out competition, psychologically. He said,”IM NOT STUDYING FOR THESE DEBATES.”
I wasn’t referring to debates. I was referring to things he has tweeted. He hasn’t stopped saying nasty things either via Twitter or verbally since he became President. I do not understand how those who don’t like people who make nasty attacks ever became fond of him. Either that kind of thing is OK with you or it’s not. He’s “forced” to do it, but other people aren’t? I don’t buy that.

Our politicians, do worse behind doors. Established politicians both sides have been fighting him…
Again, to be fair he has also attacked and undermined other people. There can’t be a “he has to do it, it was political necessity for him to win” but not a “when they do it, it isn’t fair to him and his chances of success.”

He is fresh and wants to move Congress faster. They can move faster. They go slow playing games to get one thing and attach it to something else. Each request should be one issue only. Vote for the wall & then, we’ll vote DACA
He isn’t doing any of the heavy lifting when it comes to crafting legislation. He keeps saying he has proposals, but doesn’t produce them.

Take the wall, for instance. He is the one who said he’d build a big beautiful wall and it wouldn’t cost taxpayers anything because he’d make sure Mexico would pay for it. Well? Has he had talks with Mexico about that? I don’t see any evidence that anyone in Congress is fighting things he’s done. He promised that he would do things; he needs to do them. If he promised legislation, then he can produce a draft of what he wants. Where is that? He hasn’t done it. Why are they accused of making empty promises, but he is not? This makes no sense. (CONT)
 
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The Dems resisting is treasonous. They created a monster that screamed Pelosi out. She started outlandish behavior.
Again, for all I don’t like about Nancy Pelosi, she doesn’t force him to send out all these tweets he’s sent out. As for their “resistance” being treasonous, I think that resisting the policies that your voters elected you to resist is how representational democracy works. If your representatives to Congress went along and rubber-stamped whatever the President you didn’t vote for and don’t want in office told them to do, you’d be plenty upset. Compromise is OK, but (to be frank) the American voters have been politically crucifying members of Congress who look for bipartisan solutions. “Compromise” has become a dirty word. The voters are free to do that, but they had better expect gridlock and they had better expect the political direction of the country to lurch around 180 degrees every time the political wind changes. Politicians are not magicians.

You can’t eat your cake and have it. If it is not OK to make nasty accusations that you can’t back up, why are the nasty accusations he has made that have no basis in fact OK with you? He does these things brazenly, so he is better than people you are sure do it behind closed doors, whether you have evidence of it or not, but it is not OK to make accusations without any proof. This doesn’t make any sense.

We put him in b/c he is not corrupt. He loves USA! HE is a shrewd businessman! Our govt. is a business.
No, our government is most definitely not a business. For instance, as a shrewd businessman, he has said that when projects went bankrupt and he left vendors unpaid, some of whom went out of business, that is just how business is done. Do you think the United States government can or ought to be run that way? I would hope not.

As for the things he has said with the microphone off, I think you aren’t aware of things he said in radio interviews when he was very much aware the microphone was on. It was disgusting. No, Mrs Trump does not make any threats of bodily harm for these things. I have no evidence of that. She seems to be used to it, if anything.
 
tweedlealice said:
If he had more respect and not attacks on him and family, his street fighting reactions would be less.
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I suppose this is true. Unfortunately, respect has to be earned, and that is not one of his skills. One has to keep in mind, when dealing with a narcissistic personality, that anything less than accolades and applause will provoke "street fighting reactions’. It is the world view of a bully.

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When a world leader starts acting like his sandbox is bigger and better than his neighbors’ sandbox, it just causes embarrasment to both of them.
tweedlealice said:
His blurting out his feelings, shows he doesn’t lie. A true liar is more conniving and quiet, so he can manipulate the circumstances.
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Actually I think the blurting is evidence of frontal lobe impairment and impulsivity, possibly the consequence of early years of heavy drinking. In any case, the blurting out actually causes difficulties on many levels, including making the lies more effective. He does not keep good track of what he says, so he constantly contradicts himself, to the point where the person listening has to assume if the lips are moving, likely lies are coming out.
tweedlealice said:
His fraternity behavior during debates and name calling, were his tactics to knock out competition, psychologically.
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I think this has been a lifelong method he probably developed in Jr. High School, and it seems to have served him well.
 
guanophore said:
Living in an area of the country where the borders do seem quite porous, I can certainly vouch for the disregard of breaking the laws entering.

I have more compassion for those who are willing to risk such severe consequences to escape a worse situation. After all, Jesus’ family fled Bethlehem to avoid the slaughter. These are real conditions for some people.
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I am pretty sure the Holy Family did not benefit from or live off the welfare system of Egypt for a number of years. And I am pretty sure that was not the motivation for their going there to begin with. To categorize looking for a “better” economic life as escaping a “worse” situation as if any “worse” situation will justify “willing to risk such severe consequences.”

It isn’t clear to me how well informed people in those severe consequences can possibly be. For the most part my guess is that they are being shilled by those who stand to profit by persuading them to try to enter the US. It is pretty clear that coyotes are involved quite frequently in the movement of many of these “willing to risk” seekers.
 
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HarryStotle said:
It is pretty clear that coyotes are involved quite frequently in the movement of many of these “willing to risk” seekers.
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Absolutely! any time there is a dysfunctional administrative system, there will be “coyotes” to take advantage of those in power, as well as the victims.
 
I am an orthodox, practicing Catholic and I did NOT vote for Trump. In fact, to be an orthodox, practicing Catholic it was imperative that you NOT vote for him. Sadly, many Catholics don’t know their faith well enough to recognize this and were duped by his lies.
 
PRmerger said:
m an orthodox, practicing Catholic and I did NOT vote for Trump. In fact, to be an orthodox, practicing Catholic it was imperative that you NOT vote for him. Sadly, many Catholics don’t know their faith well enough to recognize this and were duped by his lies.
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I tend to agree with you that Trump was a tragically flawed candidate for President. I did not vote for him… My reasons are based on his long, documented history of lying and stealing, his pro-choice track record, his multiple public affairs and public adultery, his admitted sexual assault…and probably above all is that he has said that his is not sorry or repentant of those things. There are others, but those are some really serious reasons that as a Catholic, I could not support him.

I am curious what your reasons are?
 
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My reasons are all of what you articulated so eloquently here.

I also refused to be cowed/duped/influenced by the Super Catholics who said, “Vote for Trump or the Baby Gets It”. Or the Super Catholics who declared that the Magisterium had demanded that Catholics vote for Trump.

What I saw was Everything that Trump Embraced/Endorsed/Lived was exactly what the ProLife World had said that “If you do these things, abortions happen”.

I also saw his bedpartners, the White Nationalists, whom he called “very fine people” as being inconsistent with Catholicism.
 
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