Do Catholics still support Trump

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Yeah, and no where is their a stat on Rural vs. Urban. Please explain. SHow me that the deaths or overdoses happened in a “Rural states” Rural Area more often than a “Rural States” Urban area!

Show me that please I’m missing those numbers!
Well, first you need to understand that some states are more urban (say, NY or California) and some states are more rural (say, WV or KY). Then you look at the chart and try to figure out if the dark red are in the more rural states or more urban ones. Then you conclude that this is more a rural problem.

You can also look that most states with severe problems in this have it happening in rural areas (see Ohio) and not urban ones.
 
I’m willing to concede he has racist tendencies and sympathies, and that most avowed racists support him.

But a committed full blown racist a la the KKK or Hitler? I just don’t see it.
 
The problem with ‘non-negotiables’ is that it is a made up concept that falls outside of the teaching of the bishops.
I guess I shouldn’t call them that, since that has a defined meaning here. I mean that while a candidate who is good in many respects maybe someone I cannot vote for in good conscience because they are devoted to just one seriously unjust or immoral cause. In the reverse case, however, paying lip service to these things doesn’t automatically mean I’ll vote for the candidate running against the one I cannot vote for in good conscience.

I guess I mean I don’t believe in the concept that voting for neither of two candidates most likely to win is a “thrown away” vote, let alone a moral failure.
 
I’m willing to concede he has racist tendencies and sympathies, and that most avowed racists support him.

But a committed full blown racist a la the KKK or Hitler? I just don’t see it.
The new racism involves a maintaining a plausible deniability that it is actually racist, but we shouldn’t be fooled as Catholics - racism is an intrinsic evil and we shouldn’t have to wait for lynchings to call it what it is.
 
Racism is a word that has become so politicized and flung around so flippantly it has lost all meaning in discourse.
 
I guess I shouldn’t call them that, since that has a defined meaning here. I mean that while a candidate who is good in many respects maybe someone I cannot vote for in good conscience because they are devoted to just one seriously unjust or immoral cause. In the reverse case, however, paying lip service to these things doesn’t automatically mean I’ll vote for the candidate running against the one I cannot vote for in good conscience.

I guess I mean I don’t believe in the concept that voting for neither of two candidates most likely to win is a “thrown away” vote, let alone a moral failure.
I agree with that. I use the bishop’s voting guidelines as they bring up many issues and neither major party does a very good job on this complete list.
 
Racism is a word that has become so politicized and flung around so flippantly it has lost all meaning in discourse.
Which is the plausible deniability that I was talking about. The bishops mention it in their voter’s guide, but you choose to ignore it under the guise of it being ‘flung around so flippantly it has lost all meaning in discourse’. This attitude is exactly why racism continues to exist in America as good people stick their heads in the sand and refuse to see it.
 
I’ve actually never seen a voters guide from a Bishop, and wasn’t even a believer at the time of the election. I’d be interested in reading it if you post a link
 
Racism is a word that has become so politicized and flung around so flippantly it has lost all meaning in discourse.
This is only a useful stand for people repping a racist.

Try to take an accusation levelled at your guy and say that the accusation doesn’t really mean anything anymore.
 
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Well, I bet this thread sure has changed a lot of people’s minds. 😐
 
Still reading through it, but this part stood out to me

“Marriage
must be
defined, recognized, and protected as a lifelong
exclusive
commitment between a man and a
woman, and as the source of the next
generation and the protective haven for children.
8
The
institution of marriage is undermined by the ideology of “gender” that dismisses sexual
difference and the complementarity of the sexes and falsely presents “gender” as nothing more
than a social const
ruct or psychological reality, which a person may choose at variance with his
or her biological reality (see
Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church
,
no.
224).”

There’s not a single viable party that stands for this. In the future, it almost seems we’d have to abstain from voting entirely.
 
Also Japanese internment camps: That was yet another brilliant idea by the Democratic Party.
He didn’t give power and money to the KKK like the Democratic Party did.
I’m not a Democrat by any means, but this is disingenuous (and surely you realize it.) The parties have realigned over the past several decades vis-a-vis southern white conservatives. Those Democrats would have almost certainly have been Republicans if you mapped it onto our current political alignment.

I can’t believe I posted in this thread. Mea culpa. 🙁
 
There’s not a single viable party that stands for this. In the future, it almost seems we’d have to abstain from voting entirely.
I’m in total agreement. I feel left out of the political process right now. Catholics are not served well by either major party.
 
It’s not very American of me, but I personally feel representative government is a failure. I have some very monarchial sympathies, and I think under a Catholic monarch, more of the Churches goals could be validly exercised in a way that an elective government over a diverse nation can never hope to achieve.
 
It’s not very American of me, but I personally feel representative government is a failure. I have some very monarchial sympathies, and I think under a Catholic monarch, more of the Churches goals could be validly exercised in a way that an elective government over a diverse nation can never hope to achieve.
We just feel how others have felt like in the past.

This is the greatest country on earth, with the most opportunity for citizens. We are just out of power right now.
 
Pope Francis for POTUS!

Let’s try to get the US to become a vassal of the Holy See.
 
I’m not sure Catholics as a block have ever had power in this country. The Evangelical right maybe.

Immigration for example, I understand and sympathize with people who want to come here for more opportunity (my mother was an immigrant, recently received citizenship) but open borders as some desire is not feasible and would be severely detrimental to the good of American citizens.
 
Literal LOL.

You should read Hans Hermann Hoppe’s “Democracy: The god that failed” if you’re into political stuff.
 
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