Do Catholics still support Trump

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Did you even read this before posting? or reading @Spyridon

Every single example in that article is not racist. Criticizing a judge who may be biased ----or criticizing Black Lives Matter is not racist (this one is very sensible).

Also Japanese internment camps: That was yet another brilliant idea by the Democratic Party.

As far as the “blacks are lazy” comment: 1) It’s setting up a he said/he said dilemma and 2) If Trump even said that, doesn’t that mean that liberals should wear a shirt with his face on it like they do with Che?

This is what happens when you rely on the Huffington Post for information-------and don’t read before posting.
 
Did you even read this before posting? or reading @Spyridon

Every single example in that article is not racist. Criticizing a judge who may be biased ----or criticizing Black Lives Matter is not racist (this one is very sensible).

Also Japanese internment camps: That was yet another brilliant idea by the Democratic Party.

As far as the “blacks are lazy” comment: 1) It’s setting up a he said/he said dilemma and 2) If Trump even said that, doesn’t that mean that liberals should wear a shirt with his face on it like they do with Che?

This is what happens when you rely on the Huffington Post for information-------and don’t read before posting.
PRmerger said:
I also saw his bedpartners, the White Nationalists, whom he called “very fine people” as being inconsistent with Catholicism.
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He said not everyone there was bad, and he was right. There were good people on both sides.

Bedpartners? He didn’t give power and money to the KKK like the Democratic Party did. ’
 
Did you even read this before posting? or reading @Spyridon

Every single example in that article is not racist. Criticizing a judge who may be biased ----or criticizing Black Lives Matter is not racist (this one is very sensible).

Also Japanese internment camps: That was yet another brilliant idea by the Democratic Party.

As far as the “blacks are lazy” comment: 1) It’s setting up a he said/he said dilemma and 2) If Trump even said that, doesn’t that mean that liberals should wear a shirt with his face on it like they do with Che?

This is what happens when you rely on the Huffington Post for information-------and don’t read before posting.
PRmerger said:
I also saw his bedpartners, the White Nationalists, whom he called “very fine people” as being inconsistent with Catholicism.
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He said not everyone there was bad, and he was right. There were good people on both sides.

Bedpartners? He didn’t give power and money to the KKK like the Democratic Party did.
I didn’t think that racism was very prevalent either. I was saddened to learn it was during the Obama administration. Any article about Obama on the internet, would inevitably be followed by comments that would be racist.
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The racism I see is directed at conservative minorities.
 
Anyone who doesn’t condemn the KKK outright should be condemned by any orthodox Catholic.
 
So why do I support Trump? Mostly because I am sick and tired of the Progressive agenda and it’s PROMOTION for the Culture of Death, and other anti American ideologies forced on us to ruin America. From Abortion through Gay Marriage, “enlightened” Lifestyle, Socialistic this that and the other thing, etc., is it evil masquerading as a Progressive/ Socialist agenda claiming that Traditional values and logic are the problem and need to be eradicated by thought control. And they did it through the schools and propagandizing the media. (among other elitist false reasoning and their mindset)

This culminated in Obama where Lines where drawn and people were told what to think and redefine what Racism, Bigotry, Hatred and all the other aspects of a culture of death were fostered through their progressive agenda. AND then they were supposed to codify all of it by making sure Hillary got in there. Well guess what? The American people didn’t allow that to happen. They went with an outsider…literally the antithesis to everything they stood for. And they Hate him for that because in his hyperbolic mannerisms he just shrugs them off and it infuriates them.

And yes he has my support because he is slowly negating all the bad that was done as much as he can. He’s moving in the direction he said he would, has accomplished a lot that no one in the propagandized media will credit him for and remaining resilient and focused as he moves to keep his promises. Progressivism needed to be upended. They tried to treat Trump like a disease and he’s eviscerating all their efforts. In a sense, it’s a very refreshing change…
 
I voted for him once, I’ll vote for him again in 2020. I care not about what he says, but what he does. My 401k is doing great, my customers (truck drivers) all have more money in their pockets to care for their families, illegal immigration is finally being addressed, and he’s not cowtowing to the media or liberals.

The United States is not a Catholic or Christian nation, I don’t expect it’s leaders to be saints. I expect the leaders of the United States to do what’s best for the citizens of the United States, not the rest of the world.
 
PRmerger said:
Anyone who doesn’t condemn the KKK outright should be condemned by any orthodox Catholic.
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The problem is that enforcing what are admittedly non-negotiables on the whole of a person makes it impossible to cooperate with them in politics at all. That’s morally noble, in a way, but just as the Pope is both a head of state and the first bishop among the bishops, we too operate both in a non-negotiable sphere and a sphere in which we have to have interactions and even cooperate with people who do things that are not acceptable. St. Paul makes this distinction:
“I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people, not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world. But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person.” 1 Cor. 5:9-11
 
Doesn’t it bother you that almost every racist and racist group in the US has explicitly endorsed Trump, and that groups of neo-Nazis are proudly throwing up the Nazi salute and yelling “Hail Trump”?
 
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Not really. I’m not racist, I don’t see him as racist, or even particularly prejudiced against anyone. What other people do or perceive isn’t really something I have control over.
 
PRmerger said:
I also refused to be cowed/duped/influenced by the Super Catholics who said, “Vote for Trump or the Baby Gets It”. Or the Super Catholics who declared that the Magisterium had demanded that Catholics vote for Trump.
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Yes. He has no pro-life background at all. Well except for saying a superstar person that he knows wasn’t aborted. :woman_shrugging:t2:

New York in its recent past had a battle over crisis pregnancy centers and how they advertise. Did he use any of his funds to support the crisis pregnancy centers? Nope. Did he even voice a prolife sentiment in support of them? Nope.
 
What about the $200,000 fine for moving African American dealers off the floor when certain players came? Or not renting apartments to African American renters?
 
Probably because in his heart of hearts he doesn’t care about the pro life movement.

Trump says what’s politically expedient for him to say; he does not speak from deep seated beliefs which he holds.

He holds no deep seated beliefs other than his belief that he is the greatest thing on earth since sliced bread. Trump is a total narcissist.

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Yep, anti-Catholicism is one of the guiding principles of the KKK.

Anti-semitism
Anti-Catholicism
Racism against blacks
Anti-immigration
Xenophobia

These are the 5 core principles of the KKK.
 
Still not sure how that’s relevant to a discussion on Trump as he is not a member.

Also, as you said, he has no deep seated beliefs. I agree with you on that, he cares about making money and being successful. To call him racist implies he cares enough to hate anyone. Or that he was interested enough in something other than himself to learn things to dislike.

He’s a deeply flawed human being like the rest of us. The real issue is how out of 300+
million American’s either he or Clinton was going to become president. I voted for Cruz in the primary.
 
PRmerger said:
I am an orthodox, practicing Catholic and I did NOT vote for Trump. In fact, to be an orthodox, practicing Catholic it was imperative that you NOT vote for him. Sadly, many Catholics don’t know their faith well enough to recognize this and were duped by his lies.
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I didn’t vote for him, either, but I’d defend the idea that a voter in a swing state might have cast a vote for him as the lesser of two evils. He had such serious deficits, though, I wouldn’t say it was a necessity that a voter in a swing state vote for him. It could be argued that withholding a vote was a political statement that needs to be made. In the most extreme case, it would be saying, “I’m not going to automatically give a vote to whoever says the right things about the non-negotiables, because that encourages cynical and meaningless pandering by some candidates.” (Let’s be honest: it does.)
 
SuperLuigi said:
Did you even read this before posting? or reading @Spyridon

Every single example in that article is not racist. Criticizing a judge who may be biased ----or criticizing Black Lives Matter is not racist (this one is very sensible).
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Yes, of course I did. From the article:

“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

That is racist. Do you not think it is?
SuperLuigi said:
As far as the “blacks are lazy” comment: 1) It’s setting up a he said/he said dilemma and 2) If Trump even said that, doesn’t that mean that liberals should wear a shirt with his face on it like they do with Che?
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His comment was racist.
 
For what it’s worth, I don’t think Trump is racist.

I think he has racist sympathies, and sometimes says somewhat racist things — but I do not believe he is some sort of committed racist or something, for the exact reasons you illustrated @JanSobieskiIII.

Narcissistic demagogue? Yes. Sexual predator? Absolutely. Ignoramus? For sure. Racist? I don’t think so.
 
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PetraG said:
“I’m not going to automatically give a vote to whoever says the right things about the non-negotiables
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The problem with ‘non-negotiables’ is that it is a made up concept that falls outside of the teaching of the bishops.
 
Spyridon said:
Narcissistic demagogue? Yes. Sexual predator? Absolutely. Ignoramus? For sure. Racist? I don’t think so.
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Judge Curiel
The Central Park Five
Sued by federal government for racist policies in renting
Pardoning Arpriao
etc.

He’s racist.
 
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