Do Catholics still support Trump

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Mexico City polic is good. Not new, but good… it gets tough after that
 
Mexico City polic is good. Not new, but good… it gets tough after that
 
Once again, you are misunderstanding what I clearly said. Intentionally? Taking lessons from Trump? My point is simply that someone said we should support Trump because he was elected. I’m saying that’s nonsense, and by analogy in 1933 Germany you would support Hitler because he was “duly elected” (the other poster’s term) just as Trump was. You should support someone because you agree with their positions, not because they got elected. In no way was I compariing Trump to Hitler–although, as I said, I could if you want me to. But no, I’m not going to. Waste fo time.
What about taking a step back and saying to yourself… I can’t believe that I’m so out of touch with my country. They elected this person and I can’t understand why. But since he was elected then I hope and pray that he does good for the country and is successful. That’s what we did with Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama… why stop now with wishing the President success and good for the country?
 
we have eliminated destitute poverty among the elderly in this country.
if we would have put the money people pay into ss in a mutual fund, they would have been better off. not those at the start of the program, but most who came later.
I support the truth.
which truth? progressive you can be what you feel you are truth or biblical truth. do you support a subjective morality party who is trying to destroy the objective moral principals of the church.

what about these realities? this is the truth and law of the left.

reduced religious liberty (must partake in the alternate lifestyles - bake a cake)
gay marriage
transgender bathrooms
forced businesses to provide abortifacients (refused to allow exceptions)
anti conscience protection
anti Hosanna-Tabor (church picks ministers)
pro abortion
etc. etc. etc
Under what circumstances?
the ccc is clear.
But more Catholics voted for HRC than Trump.
please provide info on this. a simple google search shows most giving the catholic vote to trump with just one giving the nod to clinton.
pew 52-45 trump
cnn exit 50-46 trump
anes 48-45 clinton
nyt exit 52-45 trump

polls were so accurate in 2016 anyway
 
the catechism allows the death penalty. it should be rarely used but it can be used
Yes, of course. And St John Paul II said the circumstances under which the death penalty would be morally permissible are practically nonexistent. And here we sit today with a President who is calling for the death of a prisoner on Twitter when perfectly good alternatives exist to killing him. And an attorney general calling for wider use of the death penalty.

You don’t condone that do you?
 
why stop now with wishing the President success and good for the country?
I don’t know that people have stopped hoping and praying for the country and the world…

I do think that people are moving to action to resist the both the harmful actions and toxic rhetoric of Me Trump though
 
they gave Trump the Pro-life man of the year award.

He must be doing something right.
Definitely we must support the Good!
Because surely the pro-life movement has been down this road before since Roe v Wade, and yet abortion is still legal. Do you really think there’s any real likelihood of a repeal in the Supreme Court?
No, I really don’t. I think that education and evangelization are the only ways to change it. Just as a grassroots civil rights movement in the 60’s, it will take average citizens rising up to confront it. Citizens changed the course or the war in vietnam, and we can do it again.

Most people that support abortion have no clue about their own bodies. I meet with pregnant teens every day that don’t know how their bodies function. I have had students come to me after class crying when I talked about how abortion happens, because they were not informed. They were horrified with what they did. This is something that can be addressed with education. All of our confirmation classes need to tell teens the hard facts.
A daily reminder that Trump is neither racist, sexist nor homophobic. All of three of these have historically been a part of the Democratic Party and are routinely practiced in Muslim-majority nations.
Honestly I have never heard or seen anything about his sentiments about homosexuals, but he has clearly demonstrated that he is racist and sexist.

I agree, the democratic party has even worse problems that racism and sexism. I cannot support Trump, the man, but I will support whoever is in the office of the presidency, and pray that God will guide and protect His chuch through the political leadership. He may be a racist and a sexist, but God can still use him to work good.
DACA - Why exactly should people who are here illegally get rewarded for criminal behavior?
Because they were brought here as children, and had no choice of their own. They worked hard to achieve, and contribute to the country in which they found themselves. It is not right to punish the children for the sins of their parents.
Travel ban - we as a country can allow or not allow anyone from anywhere for any reason entrance or denial of entry. Foreigners do not have a carte blanche right to come here.
No, but it makes no sense to deny them carte blance either. Most of us that live here came from immigrants. I am sure the Native Americans felt the same way when the Europeans arrived.
 
So, because Trump called Kim “little rocket man” and did something-or-other that you think “gave comfort” to racial supremacists, you would back partial birth abortion. I would have thought one would need better reasons.
No. Trump behaves in a childish, provocative manner, like a child fighting in a sandbox. Namecalling, bullying, and taunting are not the marks of a statesman.

Yes, he was reluctant to criticize the KKK, maybe because his father was an active participant? Maybe because he got so much political support from racists?

But his ineffectual behavior in these areas does not negate the pro-life stance he has taken.
 
No, actually, that’s not the “whole” story. That is snippets of just two of many thousands of stories. The unfortunate thing is that you only count the two and discount the thousands in order to come up with your assessment of the whole.
 
No, actually, that’s not the “whole” story. That is snippets of just two of many thousands of stories. The unfortunate thing is that you only count the two and discount the thousands in order to come up with your assessment of the whole.
Actually, they are representative and concrete examples. Look through the comment section; lots of deleted comments - I wonder why. Look through the articles on Pope Francis. Do any portray him in a positive light? If it’s your type of place, then that’s your problem, but don’t tell me that I am misrepresenting that right wing, Pope bashing site.
 
not those at the start of the program…
I agree
which truth?
That makes no sense.
what about these realities?
reduced religious liberty (must partake in the alternate lifestyles - bake a cake)
gay marriage
transgender bathrooms
forced businesses to provide abortifacients (refused to allow exceptions)
anti conscience protection
anti Hosanna-Tabor (church picks ministers)
pro abortion
  • No one has been forced to bake a cake.
  • Gay marriage has been brought to you by SCOTUS that is majority Catholic and Republican appointed.
  • I favor bathrooms that accommodate one person at a time.
  • Accommodations to businesses have been proposed and are under continuing development.
  • ???anti-conscience protection???
  • Hosanna-Tabor was adjuicated in favor of applying ministerial exemption to an elementary school teacher first hired as lay, then “called”, who was contested firing for a medical disability and exercise of rights perceived to be available under law. The complaint was narrow and at every level stipulated ministerial exception as established in precedent. The case was not without merit, and the resolution favored a very broad interpretation of the exception - by much the same folk as brought you gay marriage. Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC :: 565 U.S. 171 (2012) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
  • There is support in both parties and by a majority of Americans for legal abortion.
the ccc is clear.
It is.
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”
There is no moral justification for the death penalty in America.
Non-negotiable.
please provide info on this
Early exit polls were supplanted by a more exhaustive study.



 
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the catechism allows the death penalty. it should be rarely used but it can be used

Yes, of course. And St John Paul II said the circumstances under which the death penalty would be morally permissible are practically nonexistent. A
Although the Church would prefer it not be used it is allowed. Read CCC 2261, 2268, 2320, 2321.
 
We have a good prison system, so if a crazy murderer went to prison we could slam him down for he don’t hurt other inmates.
On the other hand other countries are different and dont have prison lockdowns like we do, so some are forced to kill a mass murderer or crazy threatening inmate
 
Although the Church would prefer it not be used it is allowed. Read CCC 2261, 2268, 2320, 2321
Yes, like I said before, permissible in very, very rare circumstances when other ways to prevent danger to others are not available.

That is clearly not what we are talking about here
 
You got remember too that although peolple call themselves Catholics they are not practicing Catholics. I’ve been listening to relevant radio and they are always saying that 80%( roughly estimate) of Catholics don’t even go to mass.
So it Catholics that voted are not practicing Catholics. In matter of fact i know people that Clayton they are Catholic that voted for marijuana to be Legal
 
I’ve already brought judgement onto myself, and I’ll admit that I’m a sinner and unworthy of God’s grace. However, the Bible does not say not to judge, and the phrase “Judge not, lest you be judged” is the most quoted phrase by Christ and no one seems to know any other quotes about judgement except that one, almost becoming cliched. I like the one in Revelation: “They shall be judged by their deeds.” We’ll leave it up to God to judge trump by his deeds. And as for judging again, are we not allowed to pass judgement on any leaders? Whose criteria do we base on whom we do or do not judge? Is it wrong to judge Caligula, Nero, Tamerlane, Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Mao, Pol Pot, Tojo, Mussolini, Franco, Napoleon, Pope Alexander VI, Heydrich Himmler, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler? Were their subjects required to pray for their leaders? No, trump is not the devil, but he does the devil’s work. And trump is a dictator wannabe, and he has showed so by his words and actions. When a leader has absolutely no morals, or very little morals, and even insidious, then we have every right to judge. I do not judge the man, but his actions and deeds. And he shall be judged by his deeds in the end.
 
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