Do Catholics still support Trump

[Rasoleil]

I never said he was “the devil”, but of the devil.

 

[pnewton]

You got remember too that although peolple call themselves Catholics they are not practicing Catholics. I’ve been listening to relevant radio and they are always saying that 80%( roughly estimate) of Catholics don’t even go to mass.

The Catholic vote, especially statistically is so hard to define as to be useless. Like you said, so many are almost completely separated from the faith of their childhood, yet hold on to the name and identity. Those who have turned from God, are not adhering to the precepts of the Church, and have a very low priority on their soul are really not to be expected to show interest in voting morally.

 

[niceatheist]

The No True Scotsman fallacy is alive tonight.

But if, as you and the other poster say most Catholics aren’t real Catholics, then that means “real” Catholic influence on elections is minimal.

 

[MamasBoy33]

Yes earthly judgment and condemnation judgment

 

[MamasBoy33]

I think i already said the i should of used the “practicing” instead of" real"

 

[MamasBoy33]

No, trump is not the devil, but he does the devil’s work.

I have you a pro-life man of the year site. That’s not the devils work

 

[MamasBoy33]

When a leader has absolutely no morals, or very little morals, and even insidious, then we have every right to judge. I do not judge the man, but his actions and deeds. And he shall be judged by his deeds in the end

I know your upset and want a perfect man. Hec will not provide that for you unless you make it different in your eyes.
If you see a kid going wild someone will say " that kid is out of control" the others will say " that’s a happy kid". Its what you make of it.
You see i can’t change your thoughts , you have to written that out on your own.
I could look at Trump and complain and be mad.

 

[MamasBoy33]

I could look at Jesus and the bible and just talk negative about it if I wanted to, but i choose not to.
The Eucharist is something that’s hard to believe but us Catholics didn’t understand it but we put our hearts into it.
When you look at Trump its your job to say to yourself " this is Wyatt he prayed when we got rid of Hillary". You have to make the best if it , i can’t. All i child tell you is to pray that you see good I him

 

[pnewton]

The No True Scotsman fallacy is alive tonight.

But if, as you and the other poster say most Catholics aren’t real Catholics, then that means “real” Catholic influence on elections is minimal.

No, this is not a “no true Scotsman” fallacy. There is a real, measurable difference between an active Catholic and an inactive Catholic. This fallacy would require that a Catholic, in this case, is measured by their support of Trump. It is measurable by five specific precepts of the Church.

Yes, the influence on elections is minimal.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The Chinese and the Russians would be fools to defend North Korea. For one thing, if North Korean’s current regime is in a pinch, they’ll be able to hit Shanghai and Vladivostok a lot easier than the US and would be happy to go out in a blaze of glory.

Second, defending someone who is currently attacking US soldiers is an act of war, and any nation that defends an enemy like that risks strikes on their home territory.

This is no longer the game that it once was, and I find it incredulous even for you to say the policies for North Korea have worked.

It’s very possible that North Korea already has first-strike capability. What they may be looking at now is second strike capability. Then it’s a pretty much done deal. Iran and other nations (like Pakistan) are watching as well.

I’m sure what you want, but if North Korea gets second-strike capability, Japan and South Korea will go nuclear. Wonder what the Chinese and Russians would think of that, or that North Korea would work with (they probably are already) separatist groups, rogue nations and terrorists. That means someone slips across the Mexican border with WMDs in large cities with all of those registered Democratic voters.

Getting the picture yet?

It would be an arms race of epic proportions and every single First World nation would be looking for WMD’s for their own defense.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The Chinese and the Russians would be fools to defend North Korea. For one thing, if North Korean’s current regime is in a pinch, they’ll be able to hit Shanghai and Vladivostok a lot easier than the US and would be happy to go out in a blaze of glory.

Second, defending someone who is currently attacking US soldiers is an act of war, and any nation that defends an enemy like that risks strikes on their home territory.

This is no longer the game that it once was, and I find it incredulous even for you to say the policies for North Korea have worked.

It’s very possible that North Korea already has first-strike capability. What they may be looking at now is second strike capability. Then it’s a pretty much done deal. Iran and other nations (like Pakistan) are watching as well.

I’m sure what you want, but if North Korea gets second-strike capability, Japan and South Korea will go nuclear. Wonder what the Chinese and Russians would think of that, or that North Korea would work with (they probably are already) separatist groups, rogue nations and terrorists. That means someone slips across the Mexican border with WMDs in large cities with all of those registered Democratic voters.

Getting the picture yet?

It would be an arms race of epic proportions and every single First World nation would be looking for WMD’s for their own defense.

It is the building of a wall and a bridge, with background checks and tracking across the bridge. That is kind of what the Church teaches

You’ve cracked the code!

 

[tweedlealice]

Hi, I don’t think, any of us feel he is a Saint. He is a carnal Christian under construction. He is using Christian language in his dialogues. This is not done by DEMS. Our Christmas war is won. Judges on Supreme Court will hopefully, be conservative.5 judges surmised to be replaced. His Judge list is from Conservative think tank of Heritage Foundation.
Roe vs Wade is the closest to being changed.
I felt God wanting me to vote for Trump. I’m not disappointed. Others felt the same.
Research Crimes of the Clintons in Arkansas. HRC has a Hx of abusing her staff. Very inappropriate behavior. Her trying of the 12 yo rape case and getting rapist off b/c 12 yo wanted to try rough sex. Pictures were brutal. She could never have children.
One either prays for guidance by God and listens or one doesn’t pray or hear. Voices can come from the dark side. HMMM. By their fruits you will know them… Jesus verbally, uplifted. Churches were getting picked on, which stopped. CHRISTMAS.
ABORTIONS- JUDGES- Personal donations of 6 million dollars for Storms and Hurricanes. Stock Market.Jobs for all races. Bonuses being given to employees. So much. Many Pastors praying for him.
We are to forgive. Pray and Respect our Pres.
2919 posts on the question that Trump voters still like him… 2919!
God, help us pray for POTUS and SEE the good he is doing. Plug our ears from the negative lies being said. Satan. Get your hands off of AMERICA. The church is fighting you and your legions. Be gone. Go back to the abyss. In Jesus name.
St. Michael, defend us in battle. Bring your legions of angels to overcome the enemy.
In Jesus name
Amen
Tweedlealice

 

[twf]

You’re very quick to jump on accusations against the Clintons (on which I have no position because they aren’t in power - so I don’t really care either way)… but you ignore the long list of well documented “inappropriate behaviour” in Trump’s personal history? Seems to be a pretty glaring double standard. You’ll also have to Document the $6 million figure…I know he gave some, but he doesn’t have a history of philanthropy.
He’s done some good, because he’s an opportunist who wishes to appeal to his base. He spent much of his life as an abortion supporting democrat… he has no core values and has flip flopped constantly. The good he or his administrative have accomplished, say in regards to abortion, is objectively good… but that doesn’t make him a good man. Any other Republican candidate could have accomplished the same.
One last question for you… do you actually read his Tweets? I don’t know how any Catholic can read his constant slurs, attacks, and childish insults and say “this is a good man”. I don’t need the media…I read his own words on a twitter… and they are vile.

 

[Shakuhachi]

Do any Anti Trumps have anything good to say about The POTUS?

For those of us near retirement and have something invested the tax cuts are helping investments along with a global upswing.

 

[tweedlealice]

Slainte
My husband is from
Mayo. Ballyhaunis, which is across the bog lake from Knock. Regan’s and Deaseys. He came over in 1962. I’ve been over there at different times. It had been a lovely place. Refugees are abundant and immigrants. I climbed the REEK. I heard the Irish are getting less in population. It probably feels that way. I hear most ppl are saying the Irish form of our F word, even our priests and nuns. It sounds better w the lilt.
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice

May the road rise to meet you.
May the wind, be ever at your back
May the rain fall, soft upon your fields.
May Go d hold you, in the palm of His hand.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The Chinese and the Russians would be fools to defend North Korea.

We would be fools to bet our existence on China not defending NK.

For one thing, if North Korean’s current regime is in a pinch, they’ll be able to hit Shanghai and Vladivostok a lot easier than the US and would be happy to go out in a blaze of glory.

You are ascribing sanity to a dictator who has shown himself be as unstable as … well … our President.

… I find it incredulous even for you to say the policies for North Korea have worked.

It is a matter of degree. The policy has worked better than many other potential policies. In particular, the policy of daring a madman to strike seems especially insane.

It’s very possible that North Korea already has first-strike capability. What they may be looking at now is second strike capability. Then it’s a pretty much done deal. Iran and other nations (like Pakistan) are watching as well.

All the more reason to engage them in diplomacy to show them that they have more to gain by denuclearization.

 

[dvdjs]

I’m sure what you want, but if North Korea gets second-strike capability, Japan and South Korea will go nuclear. Wonder what the Chinese and Russians would think of that,

In the past, this proliferation was checked by confidence that these allies had in the United States. That confidence has been sorely eroded by a POTUS, who sees alliances as a protection racket, and speaks recklessly. Sad.

 

[guanophore]

I’m sorry, are you seriously suggesting that if someone does not support Donald Trump, you don’t view them as a true Catholic?

That has been the tone throughout the thread, and even worse things.

Catholicism is a religion, not a political movement, and I would imagine many Catholics would find it disturbing that some of their coreligionists want to blur that line.

It even begins with the assumption in the thread title. It reflects a belief that “good” or “practicing” Catholics should hve been supporting Trump in the past, presumeably through the election.

I try to ask Catholic or any Christian to pay for Trump and didn’t be so angry.

Oh, we are paying, believe me, on many levels. I am sure we will continue to do so as well. As far as the anger, you have projected your assumptions on to others, and assigned “angry” feelings to people when they express any concerns about Trump that don’t agree with yours. In fact, anger is far from the response in many cases.

When i see Anti trumps they don’t think like that, they go with earthly Wisdom and criticise him

This is the problem with your assumptions. You claim that anyone who has a criticism or concern about what he says or does is “anti-Trump”, as if a person who supports him has to be ecstatic about everything he says and does. We are called upon to “judge with right judgment”. We have been given the Spirit of Wisdom and Truth in Confirmation, and it is our duty to discern rtght from wrong. Recognizing that someone’s behavior, attitude, or expressions are problematic does not make the observer “worldy” rather than “spritiual” to anyone but your own eyes.

criticise him and never say " let’s pray for him". You never hear them say " hes making the best out of and trying his hardest" no what you hear is " he is making the best to go to war or divorce , fight." That’s all you hear

I do believe it is impossible for you to “hear” that people who are not fond of Trump still pray for him, as we are called to do. It may be that it is not possible for you to feel disgusted or disappointed in a person and still be supportive and pray for them, even if you don’t approve of the way they do things.

Is it really a requirement of a Catholic to vote for Trump, support him unconditionally, and try to make it alright by praying for him?

I find this notion that your religion makes your politics particularly strange and disturbing. I find the idea that someone could be accused of not being sufficiently religious because they don’t vote for a particular candidate, or are not a supporter, pretty silly, and maybe even a little dangerous.

It is deeply concerning, not just the blind support, but how much of it there really is, and how rigid in thinking those persons are who engage in it.

 

[guanophore]

Lots of people still angry at everything a Trump supporter says.

I have read through almost 100 posts, and still have not read anything that sounds “angry”. I can only surmise that the “anger” belongs to you.

I have read people exrpessing concern and dismay about your attitude.

It was allowing people who are here in this country illegally to stay. Entering this country without proper documentation is a crime.

Yes, but the crime was committed by the parents, who brought the children here without proper procedures/documentation. When a parent commits a crime, is it moral to beat their child in punishment?

Well everyone talks about the evil of splitting up families, makes more sense to me send the children back with their parents.

In some cases it may, but some of them have already graduated High School, started college, and are working productive members of our economy.

Since illegal immigrants do not obey our laws by nature of having come here illegally, and since they do not contribute taxes towards the common good (at least not in all the same ways legal residents and citizens do) they have forfeited their protection. They just go back to their country of origin.
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Or, a path for them to become legal can be arranged.

 

[JanSobieskiIII]

Or, a path for them to become legal can be arranged.

I’d be open to that, if there was any chance of it being a one time deal and from then on out we started enforcing our current immigration laws and fixing the system.

Fixing the system to me being: Ending the lottery system, ending chain immigration, requiring one parent to be a US citizen in order for a child to inherit birthright citizenship, and having a zero tolerance policy for all future illegal immigrants.

But that’s never going to happen. A large portion of our elected officials want open borders.