Do Catholics still support Trump

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I suggest we be careful in smearing others with rumor and gossip, including political leaders. I can’t say I’m innocent.
Unfortunately, I do not know which part of the statement above is not public knowledge. I agree we must be careful to avoid rash judgment, but when we have audio and video feed, are we not to believe our own eyes and ears?

There is a whole other issue with those with whom there is strong evidence of immorality, yet not strong enough for a criminal conviction, or in an area no crime is committed. It is the same problem that lead to the scandal in the Catholic Church a couple of decades back. Should the priests that were repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct keep getting rotated to positions of authority just because they weren’t convicted? Of course not. Prudence demands they not be given opportunity to continue to molest kids if they are even likely guilty, maybe even possibly guilty.

If this is held to be only sensible, then when why would the president and the most stubborn Republicans think it okay to put a man like Roy Moore in a position of power?
 
So your solution is…?
How about stop making so many, otherwise, capable people so dependent upon the government teat?

Promoting this idea of dependency on government as an ideal is just begging for disaster. Ask any Venezuelan who is not affiliated with the United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

That so many apparently intelligent Catholics cannot see the difference between the Gospel’s clear message regarding the taking of personal responsibility for our own actions and the muddled Marxism that passes for Christian social justice while, at the same time, abdicating personal responsibility in favour of government intervention in every aspect of our lives is disheartening and a mockery of Catholic social teaching.
 
For instance, tabloid accusations that don’t actually make sense with the evidence, would be a shame to assume of someone being guilty.

In terms of priests, it depends entirely on the accusation and the evidence presented and should be worked on a case by case basis. A very holy priest may be falsely accused and have his whole reputation ruined, even if he is a living saint, for instance. That would be a very bad thing. I think false accusers of sexual misconduct should be able to be countersued for defamation of character, but due to defamation laws in this country how famous one is changes what constitutes defamation.
 
It is the same problem that lead to the scandal in the Catholic Church a couple of decades back. Should the priests that were repeatedly accused of sexual misconduct keep getting rotated to positions of authority just because they weren’t convicted? Of course not. Prudence demands they not be given opportunity to continue to molest kids if they are even likely guilty, maybe even possibly guilty.
I hear you, but I think there are some distinctions to be made:

First, one of the problems with the priest scandals, and this was explained to me by a priest who was trained as a Canon lawyer and served as that for our archdiocese before he retired: The tradition in the church is that when it comes to pastoral matters, priests are to be judged by Canon law, not secular law. So while certainly a lot of the motive behind covering up the scandals was to save face and civil liability for the Church, part of it was also to keep it “in the jurisdiction of Canon law” as a matter of principle.

Unfortunately Canon law is woefully out of date in its understanding of sexual predation. In Canon law, if a priest repents, says he won’t do it again and gets absolution, Canon law takes him at his word and gives him the benefit of the doubt. Of course Canon law was written before we had the understanding of the behavior of sexual predators.

My daughter was in the Sexually Violent Predators Unit of the state Attorney General’s office. Her job was to to bring cases against predators who were being discharged from the criminal justice system and to commit them, like an insane person would be committed, to a purpose-built facility in the state. She had to learn every aspect of sexual predation. She told me there is solid evidence that serious predators rarely stop their predation and there are clear signs of whether a predator will likely continue to be a danger. Canon law ignores that learning.

Second, children who have been molested rarely lie about that unless they have been coached to lie. Adult sex scandals can go either way. There can be motives for people to claim sexual harassment that can lead them to falsely accuse. Not saying that is typical, just that it is possible enough that thorough due process should be taken.

Third, a politician who is accused of harassment is dealing with adults, who can get redress if the accused person harasses. Children need special protection.
 
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It depends on how you look at it. For me, being a good neighbor is a top priority. A good neighbor is the one who helps you out of a ditch rather than throwing you in one.

I feel that when we take immigrants, the Dreamers, people who have lived here their entire lives, and throw them out of the country we are not being good neighbors.

I feel that when we hate people because they are Muslim and ban people from our country because 0.001% of them commit acts of terror that we are choosing hate and fear over being a good neighbor.

I feel that when we take health insurance away from children (CHIPs) as well as millions of Americans, calling them lazy and irresponsible rather than choosing to see the truth that the vast majority of these people are working and poor, we are not being a good neighbor.

When we choose to defund public schools in favor of charter schools in an underhanded attempt to separate wealthy students from poor students, we are not being a good neighbor.

I feel that when we deny scientific reality, throwing away the environment our children will have to live in, for the well being of fossil fuel companies, we are not being good neighbors.

For these and a hundred other reasons, I feel that President Trump is choosing to favor the wealthy and powerful at the expense of our neighbors who need our support.
 
i think you we should all pray that our president moves us in the right direction.
Everyone like Patrick Madrid, Jesse Romero, m
Mother Miriam, and many others from Catholic radio urged us to vote for Trump.
At the end of the day we are still stuck with this question if its biblical to support our president?
In the case of Hitler, of course not. You see the bible says to support our but not when it offends God or Gods law.
 
We all need to read Romans 13:1-4, isn’t God appointing us to support Trump.
Also in 1st Peter 2:13-17 isn’t God calling for submission to our President?
Even though President has some flaws aren’t these Scripture passages saying to keep praying and support Pres. Trump?
 
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For these and a hundred other reasons, I feel…
So perhaps you could explicate the “hundred other reasons” rather than skip those and merely divulge your feelings?

I mean, unless you think feelings just are good reasons?

Perhaps being a good neighbor also involves listening to the well-thought-out reasons that your neighbors who happen to disagree with you on important issues think differently about those issues than you do, rather than writing them off as uncaring or unloving merely because of your feelings about issues. Aren’t you throwing those neighbors “into a ditch” by discounting their views and the reasons behind those views as if those views and those reasons can only be the result of a lack of caring and lack of love?

Every one of the issues you listed is far more complicated and nuanced than you make it out to be, yet you portray holders of views opposite to yours as only possibly holding that position for one possible reason, and a very bad one at that.

Perhaps you ought to be as open-minded and charitable with those people as you are with Muslims, Dreamers, the uninsured, immigrants, global-warming advocates, and the underprivileged, generally.
 
If you are going to say that about Trump, then you need to say that as well about Clinton and Obama and Jimmy Carter etc.

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We most certainly should pray for Trump.

However, it says follow the laws. In the USA, there is no law that says you have to support the President. We are allowed to criticize him. By the way, criticizing someone, especially if what they are doing is not good for them or for others, does not mean that you won’t support them.
 
The script saysTruth & Life RSV-CE

Romans 13:4

4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. †
 
The law and the President we should.
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Romans 13:6

6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
 
Also St. Pope Peter pur first pope also addressed this matter.
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1 Peter 2:13-14

13 Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution,whether it be to the emperor as supreme,
14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.
 
Yes I absolutely feel God appointed Clinton , Obama and other Presidents.
 
To tell you the honest truth, i didn’t care about God back then and i didn’t care about any President.
 
I feel that when we hate people because they are Muslim and ban people from our country because 0.001% of them commit acts of terror that we are choosing hate and fear over being a good neighbor
The problem with immigrants from high risk countries like Somalia is this:

Imagine if you have a bag of grapes. There are 250 grapes in that bag. One single grape out of 250 is filled with Ricin and Cyanide.

Would you wash those grapes and put them in a bowl for your family to eat?

Or would you throw the entire bag of grapes out, even though only 1 out of 250 is poison laced?

Most sensible people would throw them out. The same logic can then be applied to immigration from high risk countries… it’s kind of hard to argue with.
 
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