Do Catholics still support Trump

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Spyridon said:
When asked if he’s ever asked God for forgiveness, Trump replied:

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

There you have it from his own mouth. He does not seek Gods forgiveness. He sees no use in repenting to God.

Trump is about as worldly and un Christ like a man as one can possibly be. There’s not a pious bone in his body.
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If the choice were between someone who continually seeks forgiveness but actually does nothing to change, and someone who intuitively recognizes when they have done wrong and correct themselves immediately, I suspect God is with the second since grace is active in that person, while it is ineffectual in the first.

For you to condemn Trump because of that comment is assuming a capacity to judge others in a manner that only God can. You need to reflect on your words.
The only reason he even talks about God is not because of some deep conviction, but because of his voter base and trying to appease them.
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You have some great ability to judge hearts and motives? Based upon what? I would reflect on that as well, if I were you. The judgements you mete out are those by which you will be judged.
Now VPOTUS Mike Pence on the other hand, he has displayed genuine belief. Pence has also shown that he is consistently much more Presidential in his temperament than Trump. Although his apostatizing from the Catholic Faith for American Protestant Evangelicalism is troubling.
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God must have died and left you in charge of the final judgement, then?
 
There is no point in agreeing to something that costs billions of dollars and will probably have no effect.

 
It doesn’t take Godly insight to tell Trump is ungodly.

I’d question your ability to discern spirits and judge rightly if you can’t see that Trump is not a godly man.

@HarryStotle, in your opinion, who is more Godly? Pope Francis or President Trump? Please, no equivocation. It’s a simple hypothetical question. Who seems to embody the Christian spirit more, Trump or Francis?
 
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OKi said:
There is no point in agreeing to something that costs billions of dollars and will probably have no effect.
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At this point we don’t know what it will lead to, but spending all this time and money certainly didn’t stop the roughly 10 investigations, most of them Republican directed, on Benghazi whereas there was nothing found the implicated Hillary with any wrong doing.

And if Trump & Co are so innocent, they why have so many of them been caught in lies and why do they keep on trying to stymie these investigations? If I’m innocent, I certainly wouldn’t want to stop investigations that could prove that…
 
It’s been underway for a year. There’s nothing there. Those who have been charged with process crimes had nothing to do with rigging the election, which was the original purpose of the investigation, and their activities did not implicate Trump at all

So no, you’re wrong - there is no good reason to suspect Trump was involved. That’s a phony excuse to maintain a permanent surveillance system with unlimited resources against the duly elected government. Are they going to kick down the door and do an early-morning raid on Trump’s house too? These people are the real fascists. Millions of dollars are being wasted on an investigation that is based on an excuse the Democrats cooked up because they were embarrassed at losing an election every single pundit in the country said they had sewn up.

Worse, brainwashed leftist activists are saying that if the Mueller investigation is ended they will “take to the streets”. They are obviously desperate to find some way to get their way and thwart Trump, having been beaten fair and square in the election.
 
Spyridon said:
Who seems to embody the Christian spirit more, Trump or Francis?
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Seems is the operative word. Jesus said not to judge by appearances, the way things seem to be.

You are trying to draw me into your way of thinking on this. I’ll abstain, thank you.

It seems to me that that the more people feel themselves competent to voice their often emotionally-charged opinions on things they know very little to nothing about, the more society has gone south. The vow of silence in monasteries was a good thing. Since the enlightenment, everyone feels obliged to spout off on everything under the sun.

What will people think? has become the guiding principle behind politics, morality, all life decisions and every thought that enters the head.

Personally, I don’t care what people think. I only care about what God thinks and the truth of things. My concern is whether I embody the Holy Spirit. That is as far as I go with “discerning spirits.”
 
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It’s been underway for a year. There’s nothing there. Those who have been charged with process crimes had nothing to do with rigging the election, which was the original purpose of the investigation, and their activities did not implicate Trump at all

So no, you’re wrong - there is no good reason to suspect Trump was involved. That’s a phony excuse to maintain a permanent surveillance system with unlimited resources against the duly elected government. Are they going to kick down the door and do an early-morning raid on Trump’s house too? These people are the real fascists. Millions of dollars are being wasted on an investigation that is based on an excuse the Democrats cooked up because they were embarrassed at losing an election every single pundit in the country said they had sewn up.

Worse, brainwashed leftist activists are saying that if the Mueller investigation is ended they will “take to the streets”. They are obviously desperate to find some way to get their way and thwart Trump, having been beaten fair and square in the election.
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Again, all you are doing is making assumptions. I have not made any and have only put forth information that has already been established. Also, a reminder that Watergate took around two years as these investigations take time. Also a reminder that Mueller and Comey are Republicans and were appointed by Republicans, not Democrats.

IOW, your bias is driving your opinions, not the facts. Unless you can come up with facts, not “alternative facts”, then this discussion can go nowhere constructive.
 
I asked you not to equivocate.

You then proceeded to reply with multiple paragraphs of equivocation.

It’s really a simple question @HarryStotle. Using your best judgment, which man appears to embody Christian virtue to a greater degree: President Trump, or Pope Francis?

Here, I’ll give you my answer: I think Pope Francis is a MUCH better example of Christlike virtue than Donald Trump ever has been.

Please, if you’re going to reply with another verbose equivocation, just ignore this post of mine.
 
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sallybutler said:
Do you equate forgiveness with support?
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I hear the sound of a big old bear trap being slowly opened and set.

Why would I answer a question using words that you and I obviously differ on the meaning of? Words which are so imprecise to begin with that whatever I say will almost certainly be misinterpreted or reinterpreted according to what you already think I am compelled to mean?

Again, this is why the meaning of words is crucial. If I get a sense that someone is about to play fast and loose with words, little hairs start to tingle on the back of my neck. This thread has already made me feel like a werewolf on the night of a full moon. Thanks for the bait, but I’ll decline the offer.
 
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HarryStotle said:
That is as far as I go with “discerning spirits.”
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Then by your own admission you limit the activity of God in your own life.

The Church teaches us to discern good from evil, to judge rightly, to discern spirits.

She doesn’t simply say “judge yourself and nothing else ever”.
 
Very good.

Thanks. I have a pretty good idea of why you didn’t want to answer that question.
 
Trump supports Christianity and Israel. He does not support Planned Parenthood.

The other side has the opposite position.

Hmm.
 
Spyridon said:
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HarryStotle:
That is as far as I go with “discerning spirits.”
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Then by your own admission you limit the activity of God in your own life.
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Yup. Limited to the activity of God (aka the Holy Spirit) alone.

So now you are the appointed judge in my trial?

“…by your own admission…” LOL
 
I’ve been personally anointed by the Lord as a Priest, a Prophet, and a King.

Part of my Prophetic Office is a gift of the Holy Spirit which allows me to make good judgments about things.

I’m very confident the judgments I have made on this topic thus far have been truly right and just.
 
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I wouldn’t know, only God is omniscient.

Not sure how you got “I am omniscient” out of “I’ve got a pretty good idea…”

I guess every cop who gets a hunch which turns out to be true is Omniscient then.

Interesting.
 
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