Do Catholics still support Trump

[MamasBoy33]

With revisions…

Love is patient, with Trump

Lol lol I’m sorry but i had to respond to this.
That was great. I love it
I Send it to Jesse Romero from Catholic radio. Lets see what he response
Awesomejob

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Not. One. So please.

I did. Was I the only one? And by the way, Monica Lewinsky targeted Bill Clinton, not the other way around. She was already writing to people in her home town what she was planning to do long before she arrived in DC.

 

[Thorolfr]

Truth & Life RSV-CE

Romans 13:1-7

1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. †
2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

So was it wrong for Americans to resist King George III and his British authorities and start a revolution in 1776? Did we Americans incur God’s judgment as a result?

 

[ProVobis]

but I think you should recognize the good that Trump, Pence and the administration have done,

Good because they said so?

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Would that Scripture didn’t say, “Love your enemies, do good to those who hurt you,” and “Love your neighbor as yourself,” but it does, doesn’t it?

Admonishing a sinner is a spiritual act of mercy. It is not hatred to object to bad behavior or unjust policy. If you or I were President, I hope we’d want those around us to object when we were exhibiting bad judgment. That is the golden rule.

If I acted as Mr. Trump does, I would not blame others for criticizing me in very strong terms.

At the risk of opening this can of worms again…

As an act of mercy, admonishing is something you do directly to the person you are admonishing. It does no good to admonish the person to someone else when they are not there to benefit from the admonishing.

You wouldn’t suppose acts of mercy could be done by proxy, would you?

 

[guanophore]

But I really hope that you’re not saying that mean words and stupid memes are more morally important than abortion.

No, but the mouth speaks that which fills the heart, so it does reflect what is in there.

I would not be surprised to learn that Trump has facilitated abortions himself, and I think the only reason he has taken a position against abortion is to get what he needs from the evangelical support base. Be that as it may, a person can do the right thing for the wrong reasons, and it still will bear much fruit.

The High Priest prophesied that one man should die for the people. He was right.

The reason why more in the GOP don’t speak out is because they don’t have the guts and they don’t want to draw the ire of their own party.

Their desire to stay in office, and to get other needs met, is more important than confronting the “minor” things like using the office of president to personal financial gain.

Do not support bad people to get a good outcome.

Sometimes there is no other choice but between bad and worse.

As Catholics we don’t have the option to disrespect anyone, not even our worst enemy. Love your enemies, right? If Trump isn’t quite your enemy, how much more should you at least give him respect.

From the Catechism:

Respect for the human person proceeds by way of respect for the principle that "everyone should look upon his neighbor (without any exception) as ‘another self,’ above all bearing in mind his life and the means necessary for living it with dignity.

I thihk we are talking apples and oranges here. The fact that this man’s character cannot command my respect does not equate to my “disrespecting” him. I don’t need to be disrespectful of him, because he constantly draws disrespect to himself with his behavior.

But that is in another category than respecting the dignity of human life in another person. All persons are made in the image and likeness of God. Even when Jesus tells us to “treat them as a pagan or a tax collector” he still means we must be courteous and polite, and recognize their dignity
as persons made in the image and likeness of God. We are to pray for them, and bring the light of Christ to them.

to recognize that he has no mortal sin

How could anyone possibly know this, but God?

i wanted to get the Anti-Trump start changing there thoughts and see trump in a different angle,

That would require a change in his behavior, and I am not going to hold my breath.

 

[ProVobis]

You’re right. Alabama just showed what happens when all the Democrat voters turn up at the polls.

 

[ProVobis]

The conservatives would have preferred paying taxes to King George.

 

[sainteriksrose]

I wonder what excuse is given for ignoring Gennifer Flowers?

That administration lowered the standards of the presidency a whole octave, far to the left of zero…

 

[ProVobis]

I would not be surprised to learn that Trump has facilitated abortions himself, and I think the only reason he has taken a position against abortion is to get what he needs from the evangelical support base.

That’s just it. I know several Trump-voters who have had abortions themselves.

If Trump is so pro-life as people think, why doesn’t he criticize abortions as much as he criticizes Chicago in his rallies?

 

[josh987654321]

That’s just it. I know several Trump-voters who have had abortions themselves.

So much for the forgiveness of sins? You’d rather go with Satan provided he never actually commits these sins personally, just tempts, facilitates and supports others to their ruin?

Id choose someone whose had an abortion and is repentant over someone who hasn’t and is supportive of the murderous practice any day!

Thank you for reading.

 

[pnewton]

So much for the forgiveness of sins? You’d rather go with Satan provided he never actually commits these sins, just tempts, facilitates and supports others to their ruin?

Satan isn’t running for office.

You missed the point.

I got the previous posters point, is more likely. Yours can simply be defeated by pointing out Satan is not running for office.

 

[josh987654321]

Satan isn’t running for office.

You missed the point.

 

[HarryStotle]

OK, I’m taking the bait. Then bed. Well, you’ve quoted one (1) PhD (in what? who knows? English lit? Education?) Who wrote an article in…a peer-reviewed scientific journal? Nope. The Princeton Pro-Life something or other.

Actually, it was also in the International Journal of Sociology and Social Policy 1999, 19:3/4:22-36

You want to trade quotes? How about a BBC article-- “Unfortunately there’s no agreement in medicine, philosophy or theology as to what stage of foetal development should be associated with the right to life.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml

Except this isn’t about whether a fetus is a human being – that is indisputable – your citation is about whether a human fetus cum human being has a right to life.

If you read the article I cited, the point was made that the question of whether a fetus is a human being is a biological one, while the question of whether the fetus is a human person with right to life is a philosophical and moral one. Your article is about whether the fetus has a right to life, which is NOT answering the question of whether the fetus is a human being.

Do you see why words are important?

Some on this forum don’t get that, but they will soon.

What if I showed you a lump of iron and said, “Isn’t my new car great?” A lump of iron is not a car. Is a fetus a hunan being–with, as Catholics believe–a soul? As a Catholic I believe it is. But I recognize there are a multitude of other answers out there, and in fact, most of the world’s religions and population believe something different.

Except it isn’t just Catholics that believe a fetus is a human being, all scientists in the field of biology do.

…OK, I looked your author up. “Dr. Irving is a former career-appointed bench research biochemist/biologist (NIH, NCI, Bethesda, MD), an M.A. and Ph.D. philosopher (Georgetown University, Washington, D.C.), and Professor of the History of Philosophy, and of Medical Ethics.” So she’s got a PhD in philosophy. Good for her. And she worked at NIH…whatever that means. Sweeping floors? In any case, she’s welcome to her beliefs, but that’s exactly what they are–beliefs!

Someone who doesn’t know that the NIH is the National Institutes of Health a branch of the US Department of Health and Human Services, perhaps shouldn’t be so vocal about other things she might not know about either.

So you think a trained biochemist, biologist and philosopher would be sweeping floors at the NIH?

Your response now is that no matter how educated or well established, anyone’s beliefs are merely beliefs?

 

[guanophore]

I would strive to act like Christ in respecting people like that. Did Christ disrespect others? Despise them?

You might want to review some of His choice words toward the Pharisees.

Would you say it is holy to despise sinners and disrespect them?

I would say it is holy to despise sin, and recognize that persons committing sins are not worthy of respect for their behavior. At the same time, on can love the sinner, pray for them, and challenge them to better behavior.

If a person is trying to get another person to hate someone that’s a sin. So if you are trying to get me to look at the President in a bad way then that’s a sin.

If a person is trying to get you to love someone then blessed is that person for doing God’s will.

I agree that it is a sin to be hateful toward others, but love does not equate to “support”. We can love sinners, but we don’t support them in their sins. We also do not have to support bad behavior. Failing to recognize and confront bad behavior is not loving, it is participating in others’ sins.

I’m very thankful for our president. He has brought fresh breath to our country and done many hard things which many presidents in the past few decades would not dare to.

Fresh halitosis in the white house. Just what we needed!

 

[guanophore]

So much for the forgiveness of sins?

Id choose someone whose had an abortion and is repentant over someone who hasn’t and is supportive of the murderous practice any day!

It is not my place to know or to forgive his sins. Even if it were, I don’t see any evidence he has an awareness he has committed any, or has any repentance for anything he has ever done.

I am glad that he is not supporting abortion. I think he is doing it to get the support of his evangelical base. But whatever his motive may be, the outcome is good.

 

[twf]

At the time definitely. The Founding Fathers were the radical progressives of their day.

 

[HarryStotle]

It is not my place to know or to forgive his sins. Even if it were, I don’t see any evidence he has an awareness he has committed any, or has any repentance for anything he has ever done.

I am glad that he is not supporting abortion. I think he is doing it to get the support of his evangelical base. But whatever his motive may be, the outcome is good.

No, but apparently it is your place to impute very serious sins to him, even though it is not your “place to know?” I see.

 

[HarryStotle]

Fresh halitosis in the white house. Just what we needed!

You prefer STALE halitosis?

 

[sallybutler]

Many people seem willing to forgive members of their own political or religious persuasion but not members of the other.

Your statement suggests you might not be willing to forgive someone for not forgiving Trump. You don’t seem to be practicing what you are preaching.

The problem with Trump is that while I support ways to eliminate abortion, I don’t see how or why that means I have to support everything else the man says and does.