Do Catholics still support Trump

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Actually, it is a scientific and philosophical question. You turning it into a “religious” question is you imposing your beliefs on the question itself.

Clearly a fetus IS a human being. It doesn’t just BECOME a human being at some indeterminable point. It is from conception when all the DNA it needs to develop is in place. Each human being develops through stages into adulthood. You were once a fetus in your life as a human being. So was I. So was EVERY human being. The fetus happens to be a being that is human. There is no dispute about that.
And here we go… No. it’s not a scientific question. You can scientifically decide that something is “alive” (although I’m not sure you’d get much agreement…are toenails “alive”?) and you can TRY scientifically to decide if a fetus / baby / whatever is viable outside the mother–but you can’t say for sure. Remove a fetus at 5 months. Will it live? Who knows? Roll the dice. Please don’t bring DNA into the process. If you do, then I’m going to have to ask you if a 4-celled zygote is a “human being.” You may well BELIEVE it is, but that’s just your personal belief. And I’d have to look it up, but there are a huge number (a majority?) of embryos that simply don’t make it–they just die naturally. And sure, some people get all weepy and hold funerals, and other people see it like cutting their toenails. It’s a matter of belief, not science.

So when does a fetus become a human being? If you can show me a consensus opinion of biologists (not civil engineers or astronomers…) I’ll gladly change my opinion.
 
We are Catholics , we should be all samples of a righteous Person. When Catholics speak we echo.
If all Catholics could be on one page and say Come on Jesus let a trump be great for the peolple. I think we could change America and many other countries.
 
Catholics aren’t on the same page about Mass (type of music, Latin vs vernacular, dress), why should we be on the same page about the President?
 
She sounds like the Grinch stole her Christmas
Hey Oki, erika is really upset. Im not picking on her though, I really just want to show her love.
Am i doing a bad job trying to get her to love?
I need to work on that Because i must be doing something wrong i guess
 
Catholics aren’t on the same page about Mass (type of music, Latin vs vernacular, dress), why should we be on the same page about the President?
May not be on the same page but no body is furious, breaking Windows, protesting violently, Antifa gangs.
We all pray fora Good Mass though
 
Dems and their sudden faux concern about morals - as if they have an actual clue - complaining about Trump now rings hollow.
I am not a Democrat, so this attempt at “whataboutism” also rings hollow. I have no use for anyone in public office, Democrat or Republican who are unable to control their libido, objectify women or who otherwise engage in carnal behavior unbecoming of human dignity. It is highly uncharitable to call someone else’s morals “faux” as you lack God’s ability to read the heart.
 
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Phewww thank God. I was about to go to confession. Lol jk ok have a great night.
Prayers go up blessing come down.
St. Mother Teresa said
This is the meaning of true love, to give until it hurts …
 
Is this what they mean by right-wing stoogery?

In 10 years interest expenses alone will top $800 billion per year.

Unless the government defaults. (And Donald’s good at defaulting.)
 
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Am i doing a bad job trying to get her to love?

I need to work on that Because i must be doing something wrong i guess
OK. I’ll bite. One last comment-- Let me use an analogy. I come over to your house, and I say “I have a woodchuck in my car. He is secretly the emperor of the world, and he wants us all to obey him. He’s telling me to get your dog and jump into the ocean.” And you look at me and say what? “Why yes, of course, how obvious. It’s all very clear now! Let me get my dog!” or do you say “What??? Are you nuts???” or do you simply call 911 and lock yourself in your house until the cops arrive? I’m picking option #2 to your delusional woodchuck tale.

Or, to go back to an earlier example, are we supposed to “love” Hitler? Or Charles Manson (looked him up yet?)?

Am I “angry” with Trump? Of course. He’s trying to destroy the country–there’s a long list, and it’s too late to give it. And no, I don’t want him to destroy the country.

But let me give you something to think about: First, Virginia. Read those election results and weep. In my own town, we had an election for mayor. The previous mayor (who was running for re-election) had served 8 years, done nothing wrong, and was fairly well thought of. But he was a Republican. Traditionally, the Democrats and Republicans (approx. equal numbers of each registered to vote) turned out at a rate of 24-25% in an off-year election. The results were always fairly close. This year? Republicans turned out at the normal rate–about 24-25%. But you know what? The Democrats were really, really motivated. Not against the mayor, particularly, he’s a nice guy. But Republicans in general. Democrats turned out at a rate of 63%–unprecedented, and no, there was no big campaign, and 0 TV ads. But the Democrat won by more than 2-1. The writing is on the wall. Enjoy the insanity while it lasts. It will soon be over.
 
So when does a fetus become a human being? If you can show me a consensus opinion of biologists (not civil engineers or astronomers…) I’ll gladly change my opinion.
You want I should conduct an opinion poll among opinionated biologists (and not civil engineers or astronomers)?

How about a Princeton PhD?

Pay special attention to Fact #4
Fact 1: As pointed out above in the background section, there is a radical difference, scientifically, between parts of a human being that only possess “human life” and a human embryo or human fetus that is an actual "human being." Abortion is the destruction of a human being. Destroying a human sperm or a human oocyte would not constitute abortion, since neither are human beings. The issue is not when does human life begin, but rather when does the life of every human being begin. A human kidney or liver, a human skin cell, a sperm or an oocyte all possess human life, but they are not human beings they are only parts of a human being. If a single sperm or a single oocyte were implanted into a woman’s uterus, they would not grow; they would simply disintegrate.

Fact 2: As demonstrated above, the human embryonic organism formed at fertilization is a whole human being, and therefore it is not just a “blob” or a “bunch of cells.” This new human individual also has a mixture of both the mother’s and the father’s chromosomes, and therefore it is not just a “piece of the mother’s tissues”.

Fact 3: As demonstrated above, scientifically there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the immediate product of fertilization is a newly existing human being. A human zygote is a human being. It is not a “potential” or a “possible” human being. It’s an actual human being with the potential to grow bigger and develop its capacities.

Fact 4: As all human embryologists know, a single-cell human zygote, or a more developed human embryo, or human fetus is a human being and that that’'s the way they are supposed to look at those particular periods of development.

Fact 5: The immediate product of fertilization is genetically already a girl or a boy determined by the kind of sperm that fertilizes the oocyte. (If it contains 22 autosomes and an X and a Y chromosome, the embryo will be a genetic male.)"

Fact 6: These are a few of the most common myths perpetuated sometimes even within quasi-scientific articles especially within the bioethics literature. As demonstrated above, the human embryo, who is a human being, begins at fertilization not at implantation (about 5-7 days), 14-days, or 3 weeks. Thus the embryonic period also begins at fertilization, …
Source: When Do Human Beings Begin?
You need to know that the question of whether a human fetus is a human being is not a matter of dispute among any embryologists, cell biologists, or any other related field of biology or science.

You need to change your opinion because it is incorrect.
 
Wow. 1144 posts and I don’t think anyone has convinced anyone of anything!
No, but I do not think my time wasted. I have learned that even the worst actions, people, or even posts can serve as cautionary examples on what not to do. There are several useful bad examples here. I believe in diverse opinion and tolerance, so I will even learn from the intolerant on how better to tolerate them.
 
1 Corinthians

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
 
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