Do Catholics still support Trump

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No, my apologies. It was intended for the poster who reaches deep into the history of the Inquisition to defend the use of torture despite the clear teaching of the living Magisterium as presented in the Catechism…
 
Right. One can fully support Republican principles and still recognize that Donald Trump is a vile man…as many do.
 
HarryStotle said:
You must not have very good reasons for believing in the Catholic faith if you think you cannot defend these against other moral perspectives. Aren’t you tacitly admitting that those who support abortion make the better moral or political case than you are able to? Otherwise, why wouldn’t you defend your Catholic world view against those who are pushing to make greater access to abortion the law of the land based upon their own world views?
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I won’t quote your whole post because it’s too long. I’m simply stressing the religious aspect because that’s what the anti-abortion fanatics are doing. They are equating being a good Catholic with being militantly anti-abortion, in the sense the US should criminalize it and return to the pre-1973 (?) status quo. Because that worked so well.

I agree with you that you could formulate other arguments without bringing religion into it at all. And I made clear at the end of my post that if you wanted to go off and write letters, run for office, etc. etc. as an anti-abortion candidate, then knock yourself out. You certainly have that right.

But no, I have no interest in convincing others that abortion is wrong. That doesn’t mean I’m insecure in my own beliefs, but I believe that they are exactly that: beliefs. The key point under discussion regarding abortion is “When does a fetus become a human being?” And this is really a religious question. If someone argues about DNA, life, etc. that’s all well and good, but it has no bearing on the question of when a fetus becomes a human being. And that is not a scientific question, it’s a religious question, or, for atheists, etc. a question of personal belief.
 
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Erikaspirit16 said:
There you go. An actual dictionary definition. You seem obsessed with the word “hate.” See “hate” anywhere in the definition? Neither do I. Do I regard Trump with contempt, distaste and disgust? Yes. Do I scorn and loath him? Yes. Hate him? Nope–too ignorant to hate. Like a little kid.
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Play word games all you like but I seriously doubt all your contempt, scorn and loathing is adding to your own personal holiness, or is a facet of true Christian love.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
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MamasBoy33 said:
The reason why Pope said was because those people were going to church, and giving there life to Christ and but still trying to fight there sin.

He didn’t say go kill who am i to judge.

No No no.
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What??? That makes about as much sense as a Sarah Huckabee-Sanders press conference.
 
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Erikaspirit16 said:
The key point under discussion regarding abortion is “When does a fetus become a human being?” And this is really a religious question. If someone argue about DNA, life, etc. that’s all well and good, but it has no bearing on the question of when a fetus becomes a human being.
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Actually, it is a scientific and philosophical question. You turning it into a “religious” question is you imposing your beliefs on the question itself.

Clearly a fetus IS a human being. It doesn’t just BECOME a human being at some indeterminable point. It is from conception when all the DNA it needs to develop is in place. Each human being develops through stages into adulthood. You were once a fetus in your life as a human being. So was I. So was EVERY human being. The fetus happens to be a being that is human. There is no dispute about that.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
What??? That makes about as much sense as a Sarah Huckabee-Sanders press conference
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Pope was speaking to the gays that were attending mass all the time, going to confession and being devout, these gays struggled with sin but we’re trying there best to be as good as they could.
So the pope didn’t say Its ok to be gay and sin.
He was saying who am i to judge these gay people if they are putting there heart into being righteous.

To note this this is not my explanation i hate this from Patrick Madrid
 
anon65111186 said:
Those are all noble things, but those particular issues put together would never outweigh abortion.
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And that’s why we disagree. You think one thing, and I think another. It’s a free country (temporarily, until our shadow president Putin eliminates freedom of speech).
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Last time I checked, Trump has a 32% presidential approval rating (the lowest in history). It ain’t just the opinions of “some” people.
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No, just the opinionated ones, but they don’t count.

Remember all the pre-election surveys? All the opinionated people participated.
 
And many don’t agree with your assessment…

And are THRILLED to see the rejection of the status quo of low standards this country has been subjected to these past few decades.
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Wow. I’m impressed. If even ONE of those things actually happens (
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You know even if it doesnt happen, that’s his plan though, he is trying his best, but when negative people across the US block what he is trying to do them it gets hard to do. I say us Catholics should look at this and say Wow lets give this a shot
 
jfz178 said:
Wow. 1144 posts and I don’t think anyone has convinced anyone of anything!
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Yeah Your right, when i started this i was hoping we will all come together and agree to pray for trump.
We don’t all have to Support Trump according to the church , but we are all called to pray for him.

My hopes are that we all could say lets give this man a chance.
 
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