Do Catholics still support Trump

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Spyridon said:
I’ve been personally anointed by the Lord as a Priest, a Prophet, and a King.

Part of my Prophetic Office is a gift of the Holy Spirit which allows me to make good judgments about things.

I’m very confident the judgments I have made on this topic thus far have been truly right and just.
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With great office comes great responsibility. Are you sure you are up to it?

Personally, I have no such high calling. I’ll just stay down here with the deplorable swine and sheep doing my best to keep the straw and bedding tolerably clean.
 
If you don’t recognize the fact that you have been anointed a Priest, a Prophet, and a King, that’s a shortcoming on your end, not mine.

Your failure to be adequately catechized on this does not reflect on me being somehow superior or you being “deplorable”.
 
Spyridon said:
I wouldn’t know, only God is omniscient.

Not sure how you got “I am omniscient” out of “I’ve got a pretty good idea…”
Interesting.
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Not that interesting, really.

I guess I just assumed that it came with “…Part of my Prophetic Office is a gift of the Holy Spirit which allows me to make good judgments about things…” but which never permits you to consider you might be mistaken about those things.
 
Not sure why you seem so adament to deny Catholic doctrine.

CCC 783
“Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet, and king. The whole People of God participates in these three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for mission and service that flow from them”

Your failure to recognize your office and calling of Priest, Prophet, and King is not my doing @HarryStotle.
 
OKi said:
It’s been underway for a year. There’s nothing there. Those who have been charged with process crimes had nothing to do with rigging the election, which was the original purpose of the investigation, and their activities did not implicate Trump at all
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Why do you say that Trump has not been implicated? Are you a member of the Federal Grand Jury in Alexandria? Are you an investigator for one of the dozen or so investigations? Do you think that you know all the facts?
OKi said:
So no, you’re wrong - there is no good reason to suspect Trump was involved. That’s a phony excuse to maintain a permanent surveillance system with unlimited resources against the duly elected government. Are they going to kick down the door and do an early-morning raid on Trump’s house too? These people are the real fascists. Millions of dollars are being wasted on an investigation that is based on an excuse the Democrats cooked up because they were embarrassed at losing an election every single pundit in the country said they had sewn up.
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Trump and his team of political amateurs broke the law left and right. Turns out that someone from outside Washington doesn’t even know how to fill out an SF-86 for a clearance or realize not registering as a foreign agent when you are a foreign agent is a crime. Flynn lied about contacting Kislyak because he knew it was illegal to conduct foreign policy as a private citizen.
OKi said:
Worse, brainwashed leftist activists are saying that if the Mueller investigation is ended they will “take to the streets”. They are obviously desperate to find some way to get their way and thwart Trump, having been beaten fair and square in the election.
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Sorry, not a leftist. I’m a conservative.
 
@HarryStotle

CCC 785
“The holy People of God shares also in Christ’s prophetic office,” above all in the supernatural sense of faith that belongs to the whole People, lay and clergy, when it "unfailingly adheres to this faith . . . once for all delivered to the saints,“210 and when it deepens its understanding and becomes Christ’s witness in the midst of this world.”
 
Spyridon said:
Not sure why you seem so adament to deny Catholic doctrine.

CCC 783
“Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet, and king. The whole People of God participates in these three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for mission and service that flow from them”

Your failure to recognize your office and calling of Priest, Prophet, and King is not my doing @HarryStotle.
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I suppose if Jesus, THE Priest, Prophet and King, declined to judge persons in the world, that would be a very good reason why we ought to refrain from doing so.
If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. (John 12:47)
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The Logan Act is a paper tiger and all this is a charade. The act was put into law in 1799. Only two people have ever been indicted for violating it and no one has been convicted of violating it.
  • Ronald Reagan accused Jesse Jackson of violating it in 1984, when Jackson was running for president and visited Cuba and Nicaragua. Nothing happened, even thoughh he was probably cupable under the act.
  • Reagan also accused House Speaker Jim Wright of violations on two different occasions.
  • Obama accused 47 Republican senators of violating Logan for a letter they sent to Iran about the nuclear deal. Nothing came of it.
A law that is not enforced is moot. I hope Trump pardons Flynn.

Logan was enacted to prevent serious negotiations detrimental to national sovereignty and security by private citizens, not to keep people from having conversations with foreign leaders. Between the time Hillary was Secretary of State and her presidential run, one of her biggest earning streams was for speaking engagements in Russia and paid for by Russia. You don’t think some promises were made on those deals?
 
I never judged Trump. Only God can judge a person.

I judged the character of Trump. All Christians are called to judge the character of people around them - ESPECIALLY people who hold high political office.

There’s a significant distinction. I never said Trump is an evil person going to hell. I said the way he carries himself is unChristian. And it’s an easy judgment to make - anyone who is not a full blown Trumpian sycophant can see the way Trump acts is a far cry from how Christ would act.

Compare the way Trump carries himself to the way Pope Francis carries himself. If you can’t see the difference, your ability to judge has obviously become so clouded by your political biases, that literally anything you say is suspect.
 
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Spyridon said:
I never judged Trump. Only God can judge a person.

I judged the character of Trump. All Christians are called to judge the character of people around them -
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Uh, huh. A distinction without a difference.

Funny how words can mean whatever we want them to mean.

So, we’ll impeach the character of Trump, but leave his person in office, since we weren’t actually judging his person, just his character.

Why not just keep it even simpler and judge actions, which we can have some knowledge of, and stay out of the business of judging characters or persons, BECAUSE the character of the person is ever-changing and we don’t have any sure access to either of those in the first place? (Although some of us think we do.)
 
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You are the one making assumptions. You presume there is something there, yet to be found. The investigation was initiated to find Russian collusion. Do you honestly believe Russia gave Trump the election? If so, then … well good luck with that. There’s nothing there now, and I don’t think they’re going to find anything to that effect. What they’re going to do is find unrelated process crimes, things like what they got Flynn on. Because if they don’t come up with SOMETHING, they’re going to be humiliated again.
 
Spyridon said:
And it’s an easy judgment to make - anyone who is not a full blown Trumpian sycophant can see …
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Would it be the person or the character of the “full blown Trumpian sycophant” that you are referring to?

It is getting more and more difficult to keep the two distinct in my imperviously sycophantic little brain.

To be honest, I prefer mucking out sties and pens to this business of making “easy judgements” of disembodied things like character traits and faults… and the sins of others… let’s not forget about those. 😩
 
MonteRCMS said:
The alternative to Trump was Hillary Clinton…
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I know this may sound simple, but I was fully aware who was running for president. I posted the voter’s guide link above for those who are not aware that Catholics are under no obligation to vote binary.

Is any one else appreciating the irony of the argument that “at least Trump is not Clinton” when Donald Trump, as one of many candidates was the only person running for their nomination that would not agree and sign a pledge to support the Republican candidate and not try a third party run? Or is that too far back in memory?
 
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If you go to drop your kids off to a babysitter, and see the sitter smoking a crack pipe, are you not going to judge their character and say “no way I’m leaving my kids with a person using crack!”?

Likewise, are you not going to also reserve judgment of that person and pray that they will become sober and in the end be saved?

@HarryStotle it is a clear distinction with a difference. It’s not my fault if you cannot recognize that.
 
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OKi said:
You are the one making assumptions. You presume there is something there, yet to be found. The investigation was initiated to find Russian collusion. Do you honestly believe Russia gave Trump the election? If so, then … well good luck with that. There’s nothing there now, and I don’t think they’re going to find anything to that effect. What they’re going to do is find unrelated process crimes, things like what they got Flynn on. Because if they don’t come up with SOMETHING, they’re going to be humiliated again.
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Now you are falsely representing what I posted, which is quite unethical. If that’s your m.o., it’s no wonder you support Trump.

And let say this, one cannot believe in Trump and in Jesus since their behavior and what they’ve said are mostly polar opposites. All you gotta do is to google their words and actions, compare them, and then you have to make a choice: do you believe in Trump, or do you believe in Jesus, because you cannot believe in both. Like with the “Goats” in Jesus’ “Parable of the Sheep & Goats”, one may believe things about Jesus, but they were condemned because the didn’t believe in Jesus’s words of love, compassion, and justice (fairness) towards all.

Your choice.

Have a Merry Christmas.
 
Spyridon said:
If you go to drop your kids off to a babysitter, and see the sitter smoking a crack pipe, are you not going to judge their character and say “no way I’m leaving my kids with a person using crack!”?

Likewise, are you not going to also reserve judgment of that person and pray that they will become sober and in the end be saved?

@HarryStotle it is a clear distinction with a difference. It’s not my fault if you cannot recognize that.
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But of course, when you judge their character you cannot possibly be judging their person, and when you pray for the person to change you aren’t ipso facto and necessarily praying for the character of that person to change.

Distinction without a difference unless you are stealthily contriving a difference to justify judging the pers… ah, character, so as not to seem that you are judging the person.

Here let me mentally abstract the idea of character from the idea of person so that I can flog one without leaving scars on the other. 🤔
 
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I’m not falsely representing anything. I don’t think you’re following the conversation. You already mistook my comment about climate change to pertain to something else. And now you’ve gone into left field again.

Bye.
 
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