Do Catholics still support Trump

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ChunkMonk said:
Trump’s alleged misbehavior. So far all you have is accusations.

Trump apologized for his words on the Hollywood Access tape.
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Oh, Wow. From his interviews on Howard Stern, to his affairs, to stiffing contractors, to running a fraudulent university, to admitting to assaulting women, his own words condemn him.
 
And he has apologized for his words on that tape.
PaulinVA said:
From his interviews on Howard Stern, to his affairs, to stiffing contractors, to running a fraudulent university, to admitting to assaulting women, his own words condemn him.
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Ahh, that laundry list finally comes out. I’ll admit that some of this is true. Most is bull, but some is true. And what is true is disturbing. Fortunately, I was not electing ‘Mr. Great Guy’ I was electing ‘United States President’. As such, his old affairs and womanizing are of no real concern to me.

He did not admit to sexually assaulting women. He admitted to engaging in consensual sexual misbehavior with women.
 
pnewton said:
Surely I think the Republican nominated the worst candidate running.
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I agree.
pnewton said:
And the correct phrase would be that it is an attempt to make things morally equivalent, not morally relative.
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I’m not quite sure what you mean by the specifics here.

But allow me to just state in general Pope Francis has made it very clear that abortion is not equivalent to say the environment and has criticized such maneuvers
pnewton said:
but rather Catholic teaching, which is why I keep linking the Voter’s Guide put out by the USCCB.
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Well, pnewton, accounts on here post all of the time how the CAF Guide isn’t worth much to them and CAF apologists like Jimmy Akin do anything but lead this flock astray.
 
There seems to be a real issue with people in the United States not understanding that an accusation does not mean guilt.

ac·cu·sa·tion
ˌakyəˈzāSH(ə)n/
noun
a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.
“accusations of bribery”
synonyms: allegation, charge, claim, assertion, imputation; More
the action or process of accusing someone.
“there was accusation in Brian’s voice”
 
ChunkMonk said:
Ahh, that laundry list finally comes out. I’ll admit that some of this is true. Most is bull, but some is true. And what is true is disturbing. Fortunately, I was not electing ‘Mr. Great Guy’ I was electing ‘United States President’. As such, his old affairs and womanizing are of no real concern to me.
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Which of the things I stated aren’t true?
ChunkMonk said:
He did not admit to sexually assaulting women. He admitted to engaging in consensual sexual misbehavior with women.
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In the Access Hollywood tape he certainly did. AND, 16 women accused him of the behavior he proudly admitted to Billy Bush.
 
SuperLuigi said:
But allow me to just state in general Pope Francis has made it very clear that abortion is not equivalent to say the environment and has criticized such maneuvers
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No, he hasn’t.

Calumny against the Vicar of Christ is shameful for anyone, but especially shameful coming from a Catholic.
 
Trump is not just flawed: He’s very flawed. And so are his views. And his worship of money.
 
Respect for creation and human dignity do go hand in hand.

And you have expressed disdain for the Holy Father on many occasions. It’s public knowledge as to what you think of our great and saintly Pontiff.
 
He said:

“…they let you do it.”

Christian charity requires us to take his words at face value: he engaged in sexual behavior with willing women. When you are a star, some women let (and indeed want) you to be sexually aggressive.

This is as stupid as people who think he actually asked Russia to hack Clinton emails.
 
Chunk monk, those are the archetypical words of a sexual assaulter.

No. They. Don’t. They are just so taken aback they don’t know what to do.

Your defense of sexually abusive behavior is something you should rethink.
 
Whether your naivete is real or on purpose I find this claim:
PaulinVA said:
No. They. Don’t. They are just so taken aback they don’t know what to do.
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To be hilarious. Whether you want to believe it or not, there are women (plenty of them) who are not lily-white virgins who faint at the thought of sexually aggressive men.
PaulinVA said:
Your defense of sexually abusive behavior is something you should rethink.
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Well there’s your problem right there. I’m noy defending sexually abusive behavior. If Trump was being sexually abusive then he was wrong. I don’t think he was. I think he was engaging in consensual sexual misbehavior, which is also wrong and which I will also refrain from defending.
 
Chunk Monk, I suggest you read some of the Harvey winestien and Donald Trump accusers’ stories.

I am not niave nor I am I prone to bouts of extreme hyperbole.

You do not understand the power dynamic at play here.
 
Harvey Weinstein basically admitted it. Can’t help him. Trump categorically denied them. That means it is now a case of he said, she said until some hard evidence comes out. As presumably none is forthcoming, I have to take the neutral position.

That is, until I read aome of the accusations, which ring untrue. I’ll admit to not having heard all 16 of them, but the ones I have seen read like bad fiction, are unsupported or even contradicted by other evidence, and are very unbelievable considering they all just happened to start singing the same tale in the October before a highly contentious election. After literal decades of Trump being a public figure, after a year of him running for President, not a single one made the allegation before the conveniently timed release of a tape where Trump uses crude language to describe sexual misbehavior. It’s all a little too convenient.
 
Theres obviously things he did in the past that makes me question him, but he seems to be trying it fight for Christian rights and defunding planned parenthood, although he doesn’t really care about gays or transgenders, he is not forcing anyone of religion to accommodate for them if they do not want to. So from what ive seen, I still support him and think he’s doing a pretty good job
 
After the accusations and admissions of the past few months against powerful men, I find it easy to believe the allegations against Trump.

But, say half of the 16 are lying. That 8 credible accusations. Say it’s only half of that. That is still FOUR sexual assaults. Four too many.
 
PaulinVA said:
But, say half of the 16 are lying. That 8 credible accusations. Say it’s only half of that. That is still FOUR sexual assaults. Four too many.
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And a study indicates that on the average only about 4% of such allegations are clear fabrications. It’s very traumatic for one who’s been sexually assaulted to come out against another person whereas there are no collaborating witnesses and the person who did it is wealthy enough to have a team of attorneys.

No, we can’t assume guilt, but it’s “interesting” that the Congressional Republicans are stone-walling allowing an investigation of the Groper-In-Chief.
 
MamasBoy33 said:
Yeah im not familiar with the situation. Im still learning on the Whole issue of that move of declaring Jerusalem as the capitol

If I’m correct wasn’t this move something Trump was trying to do from the beginning?

I dont know why they got so furious and why is a big deal.

What does it matter what’s the capitol?
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And this, my friends, is exactly why Trump got elected. Case closed.
 
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