Do Catholics still support Trump

[PetraG]

You say he’s done more for the Catholic Church than any other President, but that does not mean the Catholic Church or its members can remain silent when he does something that duty prompts any good person to object to.

Objections to the President’s behavior are often met with excuses and even defensive conjectures that anyone who criticizes him must wish that Mrs Clinton had won the election.

It is not tenable for Catholics to give him or any other elected official or candidate carte blanche to do or say anything he wants on the condition that he does more things that we do like than his predecessors.

We do not have the luxury of even tacitly approving unacceptable behavior. We have to object when we have a duty to object, which is the same regardless of whether the person doing something unacceptable is of our party or not. If we only speak up when it is a political adversary doing something unacceptable but remain silent or get defensive when someone partial to our politics does the same thing, our hypocrisy is not going to go unnoticed. It is a serious scandal and can lead souls to reject the Faith.

 

[upant]

Seriously woman. He just tried to get a child molester elected to the Senate. Your adoration of him concerns me greatly.

moore is guilty, by the rules of the left, until he can prove himself innocent .

however, we know jones supports the sacrifice of children on the altars of planned parenthood and no one complains

Plus 40 years later she comes fwd.

the anti-religious have been against him since before he refused to remove the 10 suggestions. if this was true, it would have been brought up and used.

and repeatedly emphasized how terrible it would be if a “liberal” won.

he is right. it doesn’t matter what you see right in a liberal agenda you just can’t overcome the wrong about it as a christian.

We shouldn’t support an evil agenda.

you do support an evil agenda if you vote liberal.

and he’s doing his darnedest to screw all of us over.

please explain why you think religious people have it worse now than under obama

Of course, what else can we expect from a president who has been accused of similarly deplorable behaviour by countless women? Who was captured, on tape, talking about women in an incredibly denigrating and derogatory fashion?

hypocrites, look at the porn industry. in a 2006 survey, 82% of men admitted, looking at a porn magazine. in another survey, 64% of christian men admitted to viewing pornography at least once a month. they aren’t looking at the jewelry the women are wearing. (YMMV)

Thank God she did not win.

you did not want to see her win, yet you threw your vote away. IMHO.

Sanders, but I think he scared even the liberals and so his own party sunk him.

sanders would have taken the party if the dnc and hillary hadn’t colluded to defeat him. he didn’t have a chance.

“Anyone who is not Hillary.”

amen to that

 

[Spyridon]

hypocrites, look at the porn industry. in a 2006 survey, 82% of men admitted, looking at a porn magazine. in another survey, 64% of christian men admitted to viewing pornography at least once a month. they aren’t looking at the jewelry the women are wearing. (YMMV)

Being guilty of viewing porn is different from being guilty of sexually assaulting women.

 

[pnewton]

upant:

hypocrites, look at the porn industry.

Being guilty of viewing porn is different from being guilty of sexually assaulting women.

For the accusation of hypocrisy to have any meaning beyond a schoolyard insult, there would have to be people who are pro-pornography, or in least in favor of adults dating underage girls, here criticizing Moore. I have seen none of this, making this just meaningless rhetoric.

you do support an evil agenda if you vote liberal.

…said the Catholic Church never.

 

[upant]

coming to this thread late. my apologies if some of the ideas have been discussed. i fast tracked the thread (includes my previous post)

It was an awful election year.

he hopefully will sit enough judges to keep the country conservative for decades to come

All middle class deductions expire after a few years while we wait for the trickle down. Over a trillion dollars in New debt.

were you as concerned with the debt when the left raised it and the middle class received very little in return during the obama years? isn’t something now better than nothing? do you really expect the congress not to extend them?

I would that more US Catholics would follow the Pope and the US Bishops — if they did, they’d doubtless be opposing Trump.

let’s face it, the election was between hillary or trump for president. by voting for hillary you would be voting pro-abortion. are you saying the pope and bishops condone voting for abortion? now that he is president, are they saying we should not support the leader of the country? doesn’t sound biblical to me.

Trump is NOT pro-life.

doesn’t matter, he is pushing to keep his pro-life pledges.

Pope John Paul II noted this in Christifidelis Laci

“The inviolability of the person which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, finds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights-for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination”

Until a government commits to securing the right to life, anything else they talk about is ‘false and illusionary’

amen to that

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

a vote that can’t win, when the polls show the pro-abortion candidate projected to win, is still a vote for evil. imho

 

[Spyridon]

a vote that can’t win, when the polls show the pro-abortion candidate projected to win, is still a vote for evil. imh

Then you should have just abstained from voting

Under no circumstance should a Catholic knowingly and willingly support that which they openly acknowledge is evil.

 

[pnewton]

. are you saying the pope and bishops condone voting for abortion?

Referring back to their voter’s guide, we read what we are to consider since we cannot actually vote for or against abortion. That is not the way America works. One cannot vote for anyone who is pro-abortion if the intent is to promote abortion though.

Then you should have just abstained from voting

Nor is one required to vote for no one. Elect-ability may be considered, and voting for a lesser candidate like Trump just because he is the most likely to beat someone who is worse. However, that is not an obligation, just an option.

 

[upant]

Abortion is not that simple. You’re asking a woman to either: 1) take on parenthood, which some are incapable of doing for a myriad of reasons, or 2) have them give the baby up for adoption, a decision which is incredibly painful, and has to be approved by the baby’s father. Stigma also comes into play. Oftentimes, the people who are most vocally anti-abortion are the ones who visit the most shame on single mothers.

so you are pro-abortion?

MANY of Trumps most vocal opponents are fellow Republicans!

sure they are, he is threatening their way of life. he wants to drain the swamp and that includes them.

Some of them have been truly courageous though, such as the war hero John McCain

he is a rino. he voiced concerns about obamacare for 8 years. when he had the chance to “walk the talk”, he didn’t

Don’t focus on Supremes!

it is really shortsighted of you to limit the importance of the scotus picks to just abortion. they will carry the conservative standard across the battlefield; not just on one hill.

A small portion of Americans voted for Trump. Trump is their fault.

how many states did he win by? crazyfornia accounted for the number of votes he lost by. (no not that simple but…)

Actually, CNN strives to have panels drawn from all sides of the political spectrum. It is harder to find people who are pro-Trump, apparently, because that universe is shrinking.

hahahahahaha

fake news central

 

[upant]

Being guilty of viewing porn is different from being guilty of sexually assaulting women.

aren’t you innocent until proven guilty?

some see view porn as the root of many evils. it is a stepping stones to other sins.

 

[guanophore]

Does life begin only after the cells attach themselves to the surface of the womb? Which bring up an interesting question: if you believe that human life is present BEFORE the cells attach themselves to the womb, then the “morning after” pill is abortion, because it takes several days for the cells to attach themselves. But if you believe that, then I see an inconsistency: the general consensus is that most cells that develop from a fertilized ovum die naturally before they attach themselves. If you truly believed these were “persons,” why wouldn’t you campaign for medical advances to stop the death of these cells? After all, the “deaths” in these cases are many times greater than all the deaths by abortion. You would think there would be some effort by pro-life groups to address this question. They are as much “deaths” as “deaths” from abortion.

This is a very interesting subject, but off topic in this thread. Fertilized eggs that die naturally are part of God’s plan for the human reproductive process. Killing embryos deliberately is not.

Another issue is twins. Twins develop much later. So if–before the development of the twin–a soul were inserted in the embryo, what happens when a twin develops?

We have no way of knowing when the soul is joined to the body, that is why we err on the side of safety, and respect life at the moment of conception.

 

[guanophore]

On the other hand , i hoping to get anti trump crew to see another side of trump. I don’t think I’m doing a good job on that though, but we got too keep trying.

Good luck with that! Unfortunately, he is daily sabotaging your efforts! I am not “anti-Trump”. I am anti- deplorable behavior, whereever it is found. Attemptinng to bully the UN, for example, is not the behavior of a statesman and qualified leader of the free world.

 

[guanophore]

Of course, what else can we expect from a president who has been accused of similarly deplorable behaviour by countless women? Who was captured, on tape, talking about women in an incredibly denigrating and derogatory fashion?

hypocrites, look at the porn industry. in a 2006 survey, 82% of men admitted, looking at a porn magazine. in another survey, 64% of christian men admitted to viewing pornography at least once a month. they aren’t looking at the jewelry the women are wearing.

I think you are saying that I am a hypocrite because I object to the way Mr. Trump treats women. Your basis for this accusation is that the majority of Christian men have looked at pornography.

 

[ChunkMonk]

Being guilty of viewing porn is different from being guilty of sexually assaulting women.

Can you really separate the audience from the film like that? If no one watched then there would be no porn. How does the casual viewer know the girl is choosing to do this of her own free will? I would say those who consume porn are guilty of all the crimes of the porn industry, which include sexual assault, rape, human trafficking, slavery, and child molestation. Sometimes even murder. Their viewing is giving direct support to the men who engage in those activities, support given specifically for those activities.

Hypocrisy is a good charge here.

 

[LoyalViews]

Escuse me but we all ought to take a moment to reflect.

What species are we all? Human. We were all created by the Lord God. All of us.

Our position of power is important on human terms, yet we are still created by God to be human.

We ought to be all praying for each other.

 

[pnewton]

. can you absolutely tell me there are no hypocrites on this site condemning moore?

Of course I can’t, but that is not how slander and rash judgment works. We can’t accuse others of such things as hypocrisy based on us not knowing for certain they are not. This sort of logic should not be that difficult to get right.

i don’t know. do you watch porn?

This sort of question is inappropriate.

you have a right to your opinion. however, it has been expressed differently in other catholic guides.

I quoted the one issued by the Catholic Church. Other catholic guides are right only to the extent that they are in concert with the Church. Here again is the USCCB guide.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...onsciences-for-faithful-citizenship-title.cfm

 

[Benadam]

If you truly believed these were “persons,” why wouldn’t you campaign for medical advances to stop the death of these cells? After all, the “deaths”

Perhaps one day it might be practical to come up with a technique to prevent it., As it is, these lives are lost because they enter into an environment that is hostile but natural to human biology. There is no moral issue in allowing a person to die a natural death. It is a moral issue when the life is lost intentionally or by some form of neglect.

 

[MamasBoy33]

Good luck with that! Unfortunately, he is daily sabotaging your efforts! I am not “anti-Trump”. I am anti- deplorable behavior

That’s sounds like people when they say " Abortion is not murder its a medical procedure" lol lol lol
Silly

 

[MamasBoy33]

. can you absolutely tell me there are no hypocrites on this site condemning moore? i didn’t think so.

I agree with you but i just reached to add to it. There are hypocrits that talk about Trump too . This is just my guess not a fact but i think 99% of these anti-trumps are hypocrites. Im like this close to saying my 99% is guaranteed. Lol

 

[MamasBoy33]

I still think Trump is doing great and its font to get better. Lots are people are blinded by his great works.
The decision of the embassy being moved to Jerusalem is still a concern for the pope.
Mexico is also following this move of Trump.
I know it’s hurtful for the Palestine but honestly i don’t know where i stand im still researching the matter.

 

[upant]

Here again is the USCCB guide.

i don’t follow the bishops on this. i follow what a previous pope wrote. it all starts with abortion.

This sort of logic should not be that difficult to get right.

neither is abortion, but many on here get it wrong.

This sort of question is inappropriate.

it was in answer to a question; therefore, it was appropriate. in context, it wasn’t meant to be answered