Do Catholics still support Trump

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I know it’s hurtful for the Palestine
per art 24 of the palestinian national charter of 1964 (not the revised 1968), the PNC did not claim influence over the west bank or gaza.

why isn’t gaza the palestinian state today?

why isn’t gaza receiving humanitarian aid through its border with egypt?

it isn’t israel. it is the three no’s
 
Yeah im not familiar with the situation. Im still learning on the Whole issue of that move of declaring Jerusalem as the capitol
If I’m correct wasn’t this move something Trump was trying to do from the beginning?
I dont know why they got so furious and why is a big deal.
What does it matter what’s the capitol?
 
i don’t follow the bishops on this.
Well that would explain a great deal. I personally have not problem following both. Nothing in that guide is in anyone contradictory to Church doctrine and is founded in Church doctrine. I assure no pope said anything different. This being a Catholic website, I would think that what the Church says is paramount.
it all starts with abortion.
What is “it”. There is no antecedent for the pronoun.
 
Nothing in that guide is in anyone contradictory to Church doctrine and is founded in Church doctrine.
depends on your interpretation of the guide. do you believe you can vote for a pro-abortion candidate over an anti-abortion candidate? if you do, you are reading it wrong.

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if you do, you are reading it wrong.
LOL. I will take my own knowledge of grammar over yours. The language is quite understandable. For the record, the person I voted for, in both the primary and the November election was the pro-life candidate, more so than Hillary and Trump.
 
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The language is quite understandable.
you didn’t answer the question
do you believe you can vote for a pro-abortion candidate over an anti-abortion candidate?
Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that this is a theoretical possibility. I have not seen a situation where I believe it applies, at least on the ballots I have participated in.

I believe most people here believe it as well. For example, one could have voted for Donald Trump over the more pro-life Darrell Castle based on something other than abortion. In this case, elect-ability. One can also consider whether the position will actually have any bearing on abortion, or other moral issues.
 
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i don’t know. do you watch porn?
It wasn’t addressed to me, but I’ll answer.

Yes, I struggle with pornography. I’ve been consuming it since I was 9 years old. I’m now 29. Plus the fact I have an addictive personality, makes it very hard to stay away from.

But, consuming porn is not the same as trying to force yourself on married women.

I’m sorry, but I emphatically reject the notion that porn consumption is equivalent to sexual assault. It’s not.

And common sense and the law both agree with me. And I’m pretty certain the Church would agree that while viewing porn and sexual assault are both mortal sins, sexual assault is a higher gravity crime.
 
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Don’t focus on Supremes!

it is really shortsighted of you to limit the importance of the scotus picks to just abortion. they will carry the conservative standard across the battlefield; not just on one hill.
Yes, the court is important. But, voting for an idiot to get a Supreme is not a good trade off.
A small portion of Americans voted for Trump. Trump is their fault.

how many states did he win by? crazyfornia accounted for the number of votes he lost by. (no not that simple but…)
A small portion I define as 58% voter turnout and less that half of the voters voted for him. So, what’s that, 25%, of the registered voters voted for him.
Actually, CNN strives to have panels drawn from all sides of the political spectrum. It is harder to find people who are pro-Trump, apparently, because that universe is shrinking.

hahahahahaha

fake news central
No. You have been infected by the Trump propaganda machine. They are not fake news, This is a tactic from Germany in the early part of the 20th century. Do not believe Trump’s disparagement of the media or the law enforcement arms of the US government.
 
Their viewing is giving direct support to the men who engage in those activities, support given specifically for those activities.

Hypocrisy is a good charge here.
I think not. What is being alleged is that those of us who object to Trump’s disrespectful attitude and behavior toward women are hypocrites because we must be in the majority of Christians who admit to using pornography. First of all, we may be in the minority of Christians who do not look at porn, but even if so, those who have done such things may admit that it is wrong. Mr. Trump does not think there is anything wrong with the way he treats others (or, if he does, he has never given any indication that he does). A person may fall into sin, and be able to acknowledge it and repent of it. Or a person may engage in sin and justify it to himself and others.

Hypocrisy would be if those Christians criticizing Trump’s behavior justified their own engage ment in it. I don’t see anyone doing that here.

For the record, I do agree that porn does objectify, and participating in it as an observer or otherwise does support the objectification of human beings into sexual objects.
 
That’s sounds like people when they say " Abortion is not murder its a medical procedure" lol lol lol

Silly
I agree with that statement being silly. Unfortunately I can’t see what relevance it has to Trump misbehaving more each day, which prevents an improvementn of his reputation among those who will not dismiss such behaviors.
 
voting for an idiot to get a Supreme is not a good trade off.
the choice was down to 2. one would continue the attack on the church and the other wouldn’t. it is as simple as that.
A small portion I define as 58% voter turnout and less that half of the voters voted for him. So, what’s that, 25%, of the registered voters voted for him.
we aren’t a democracy.
No. You have been infected by the Trump propaganda machine. They are not fake news, This is a tactic from Germany in the early part of the 20th century. Do not believe Trump’s disparagement of the media or the law enforcement arms of the US government.
not quite

i don’t watch tv, unless it is an old cowboy show. i get most of my news from other countries by rss feed. i don’t think i have ever listened to right wing radio.

however, msm is fake news. if you don’t see it, then you are not paying attention. selective editing to change the meaning of an answer, showing pictures of perps when they were kids making them appear younger than they are, the whole hands up and anti-cop bias, false stories, etc.

even the foreigners point out the errors in american media
What is being alleged is that those of us who object to Trump’s disrespectful attitude and behavior toward women are hypocrites because we must be in the majority of Christians who admit to using pornography.
it has nothing to do with trump and a person’s opinion of him.

if a person lust over porn, they are guilty of hypocrisy if they think another is wrong for the same sin acted out in a different way.
 
if a person lust over porn, they are guilty of hypocrisy if they think another is wrong for the same sin acted out in a different way.
The charge of hypocrisy can only be applied if the person who did the wrong act tried to defend a position that one’s own act was not wrong. If a person looked at porn, knew it was wrong, and can acknowledge it is wrong, then that person is not a hypocrite for telling someone else it is wrong. This is called integrity.

However, in this thread, the accusation has been made that persons who object to Trumps’ disrespectful attitude toward woman (as sex objects) must be hypocrites because they are probably in the majority of persons Claiming to be Christian who have looked at porn. In fact, there is no evidence that anyone on this thread who has objected to Trumps’ behavior and attitudes uses pornography, or defends the use of it.
 
voting for an idiot to get a Supreme is not a good trade off.

the choice was down to 2. one would continue the attack on the church and the other wouldn’t. it is as simple as that.
You actually didn’t have to vote for either of them. Voting for an idiot is still voting for an idiot.
A small portion I define as 58% voter turnout and less that half of the voters voted for him. So, what’s that, 25%, of the registered voters voted for him.

we aren’t a democracy.
I’m not sure what you mean. Your post seemed to indicate that you thought the majority of people wanted him to be president. They did not.
not quite

i don’t watch tv, unless it is an old cowboy show. i get most of my news from other countries by rss feed. i don’t think i have ever listened to right wing radio.

however, msm is fake news. if you don’t see it, then you are not paying attention. selective editing to change the meaning of an answer, showing pictures of perps when they were kids making them appear younger than they are, the whole hands up and anti-cop bias, false stories, etc.

even the foreigners point out the errors in american media
I find it absurd that someone who does not watch TV can have an opinion that a particular network is biased.

Your post I quoted proves my point that you have been convinced by the Trump Administration and others that the media are wrong.

What IS fake news? Made up stories? Lies?

How about:

“My inaugural crowd was the biggest in history”

"Missouri is one of “13 states this year have seen unemployment drop to the lowest levels in the history of their state.”

“Insurance companies “have made a fortune with Obamacare.””

“We’re the highest developed nation taxed in the world.”

Says his book, The Art of the Deal, is “the No. 1 selling business book of all time.”

Says of the diversity visa lottery program, “they give us their worst people, they put them in a bin,” and “the worst of the worst” are selected.

"Chicago is “the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation.” "

“This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

There was “serious voter fraud” in Virginia.

Those are the President’s lies.
 
The charge of hypocrisy can only be applied if the person who did the wrong act tried to defend a position that one’s own act was not wrong. If a person looked at porn, knew it was wrong, and can acknowledge it is wrong, then that person is not a hypocrite for telling someone else it is wrong. This is called integrity.
i disagree, it is the pot calling the kettle hot.

one drunk calling another drunk out is a hypocrite. same goes here.
the definition

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform
actions speak louder than words.
However, in this thread, the accusation has been made that persons who object to Trumps’ disrespectful attitude toward woman (as sex objects) must be hypocrites because they are probably in the majority of persons Claiming to be Christian who have looked at porn. In fact, there is no evidence that anyone on this thread who has objected to Trumps’ behavior and attitudes uses pornography, or defends the use of it.
i posted it and that was not the accusation. that is the way you interpreted it. i explained it prior. he was accused. he trashed talked. you have no solid proof yet of the accusations and watchers of porn who are upset over trash talk are hypocrites. it is that easy.
Voting for an idiot is still voting for an idiot.
agreed ! however, most of the candidates running were idiots.
I’m not sure what you mean. Your post seemed to indicate that you thought the majority of people wanted him to be president. They did not.
the opposite. you are the one using “the majority of people”. i was just pointing out that a majority isn’t that important because we are not a democracy.

the number of states you carry is what counts. trump did exceptionally well for a person the polls had losing by a large margin.
I find it absurd that someone who does not watch TV can have an opinion that a particular network is biased.
you do realize most networks have an internet presence. who relies on tv alone today? on twitter the fake stories are debated constantly. you get all of the angles. it is rather entertaining to read the heated tweets.
Your post I quoted proves my point that you have been convinced by the Trump Administration and others that the media are wrong.
trump! hahaha! he puts out his own fake stories. MSM is a business and they cater to what sells. it isn’t about the truth anymore.
What IS fake news? Made up stories? Lies?
also altered news, the network changes the real story to reflect the network’s position. a classic example was katie couric’s pause. the selective editing altered the position of the participants.
 
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I’m not sure what you mean. Your post seemed to indicate that you thought the majority of people wanted him to be president. They did not.

the opposite. you are the one using “the majority of people”. i was just pointing out that a majority isn’t that important because we are not a democracy.

the number of states you carry is what counts. trump did exceptionally well for a person the polls had losing by a large margin.
You are absolutely correct, it’s the number of states you carry. It’s also true that only around 25% of registered voters voted for Trump.
What IS fake news? Made up stories? Lies?

also altered news, the network changes the real story to reflect the network’s position. a classic example was katie couric’s pause. the selective editing altered the position of the participants
A slanted story is not “fake”. It’s slanted. A fake story is something made up, like on InfoWars or the National Enquirer.

It’s not fake news when a news outlet says, “Two sources tell us that …”, and then the White House trots out a person to say that isn’t true. The story itself is true - two sources REALLY did tell the news outlet whatever they reported on. I believe them.

And, frankly, the Trump White House has a much higher rate of flat-out lying than any news outlet.
 
were you as concerned with the debt when the left raised it and the middle class received very little in return during the obama years? isn’t something now better than nothing? do you really expect the congress not to extend them?
Debt is always a concern but a couple of things here.
  1. The Democrats (and a handful of Republicans when budgets were involved) passed spending bills with a 60-vote threshold. This includes the $800 billion stimulus of 2009.
  2. Generally deficit spending should be only applied (if at all) when the economy is very weak. Hopefully the Fed has reduced the interest rates enough to make the borrowing manageable.
While there are those who deem the $266 billion worth of interest payment at present too much, nonetheless it is better than the $800 billion that was projected even before the just-signed tax law was considered.

Just like a homeowner, you don’t sacrifice your sources of revenue when you have a mortgage, especially if you want to take out a second mortgage.

But then again, people just love to be in debt these days. In fact I know of financial brokers who advocate getting larger and larger loans. Is that responsible though?
 
Trump’s alleged misbehavior. So far all you have is accusations.

Trump apologized for his words on the Hollywood Access tape.
 
I believe Trump admitted to sexual advances upon a named married woman on that tape. I would suggest playing the entire tape.
 
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