Do Catholics still support Trump

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" its ok babies are dying
… is something no one here has said. If I said think babies dying was okay and put these words in your mouth, when it is something you did not say and do not believe, would you be okay with it? If not, then again, this is a violation of the Golden Rule. You should not treat others in a way you do not want to be treated.
Colossians 3:8

8 But now put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and foul talk from your mouth.
Please stop slandering us here. A person is not indifferent to abortion just because they follow the Catholic Church and not you.
 
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It is very important to note that not all backseat drivers wish they had called the other cab company. Some do, but some merely wish the cab company they called had sent someone better or that the driver they got had turned out better than they had feared. (He’s not.)
 
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You also need to watch, if you are truly interested in seeing all sides, MSNBC and CNN at least
I watch CNN , they seem to want me to get mad and be frustrated at Trump but i can’t do that Because Jesus wants me to stay away from negative things.
If im raising my child i can’t let him listen to things that just gossips and complains about someone and causes millions of people to be all pissed off. That’s just me when i read the Bible though.
I know Jesus didn’t want me mad at someone
 
is something no one here has said.
There are many things you could read between the lines. Im not saying you were guilty of killing babies. Its not your fault. What I’m saying is if you voted the 3rd party its like letting kids die , “that’s all im saying”. Its not intentional and you didn’t see it that way but that’s the way I see it. Im not in charge or can’t tell you to believe my way or your in sin. No i CANNOT say that, this is just my opinion
 
Are Catholics single-issue voters? No. As Pope Francis taught there are no negotiable morals. We need to drop this “non-negotiable” language, or at leas realize that it is of limited use.
I think not. That’s just an attempt to make things more morally relative to justify voting for inferior candidates.
 
I think not.
You think not what? Are you saying Pope Francis never said anything about it, or that he was wrong. FYI, I do not think the candidate I voted for was inferior (kind of begs the question, yet again). In fact, except for Hillary Clinton, I do not think there was a candidate more out of step with Catholic teaching than Trump. Surely I think the Republican nominated the worst candidate running.

And the correct phrase would be that it is an attempt to make things morally equivalent, not morally relative. It is not a justification though, but rather Catholic teaching, which is why I keep linking the Voter’s Guide put out by the USCCB.
 
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I don’t vote in Alabama and probably would have voted for neither of the candidates. Doing only the slightest bit of research leads one to find that the other candidate supports killing babies. When you look at unconfirmed crimes vs one that endorses the killing of babies, I can see why one would choose one over the other.
 
It seems to me that FOX News wants one to be mad and frustrated with lots of people, so I hope you aren’t watching them either.

That is the whole purpose of opinion shows, to get one to agree with them and disagree with the other. This includes highlighting certain parts of an issue and downplaying other parts, whipping up outrage, condemning the other, suggesting the “other” should be banned, arrested, shut down, ignored.

The three networks, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC broadcast opinions, not news, especially in the evening hours. Just because FOX likes Trump does not mean they aren’t promoting negativity.
 
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You also need to watch, if you are truly interested in seeing all sides, MSNBC and CNN at least
I watch CNN , they seem to want me to get mad and be frustrated at Trump but i can’t do that Because Jesus wants me to stay away from negative things.
If im raising my child i can’t let him listen to things that just gossips and complains about someone and causes millions of people to be all pissed off. That’s just me when i read the Bible though.
I know Jesus didn’t want me mad at someone
I think that the Church would agree you should be a well-informed voter. If you get most of your news from one biased source, you are not well informed

I do not think cable news is “angry” just because some people have views different from mine.
 
I think cable news does seek to make viewers mad more than glad because, well, if you’re not worked up about what is going on in the world, who needs that much “news coverage”? You could just go happily live life and they would lose viewers.
 
There are many things you could read between the lines
Perhaps, but this is a dangerous practice on any internet forum. Some people read between the lines with Trump, also. When he proclaims “I listen to myself, because I have a big brain”, one might speculate that he does not listen to advisors or people with experience in areas he does not. But this may not be true (I pray to God it is not true).
 
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There are many things you could read between the lines
Perhaps, but this is a dangerous practice on any internet forum.
I have very seldom seen anyone here who can really “read between the lines.” What usually happens is what has happened here The one reading between the lines sees what they want to see. Emotions like hatred and anger are assumed, or motivations such as helping abortion or weaseling should never be assumed.

You are quite right that people make this same mistake about Trump, as they did about Hillary and Obama.
 
Except this isn’t about whether a fetus is a human being – that is indisputable – your citation is about whether a human fetus cum human being has a right to life.

If you read the article I cited, the point was made that the question of whether a fetus is a human being is a biological one, while the question of whether the fetus is a human person with right to life is a philosophical and moral one. Your article is about whether the fetus has a right to life, which is NOT answering the question of whether the fetus is a human being.
I take part in these forums because it gives me an excuse to research things I wouldn’t necessarily do on my own. This is an example.

I couldn’t find a poll of biologists, etc. on the question of life, human life, etc. because–as several sources said–scientists don’t want to get involved in what has become a very controversial question.

However, in 1981 the National Academy of Sciences passed a resolution stating that “the question of when human life [notice–LIFE] begins was a question to which science can provide no answer…defining the time at which the developing embryo becomes a person must remain a matter of moral or religious value.” Notice that they distinguish between “human life” and “person.”

Exactly what I said.

The more you examine the question, the more difficult it becomes.

Does life (however you want to define it–simply a new being of some sort, a human being, a human being with rights…) begin when the sperm enters the ovum? There is no new, unique DNA at this point.

Does life begin after the fertilized ovum divides several times?–unique, combined DNA only appears after several divisions of the original ovum.

Does life begin only after the cells attach themselves to the surface of the womb? Which bring up an interesting question: if you believe that human life is present BEFORE the cells attach themselves to the womb, then the “morning after” pill is abortion, because it takes several days for the cells to attach themselves. But if you believe that, then I see an inconsistency: the general consensus is that most cells that develop from a fertilized ovum die naturally before they attach themselves. If you truly believed these were “persons,” why wouldn’t you campaign for medical advances to stop the death of these cells? After all, the “deaths” in these cases are many times greater than all the deaths by abortion. You would think there would be some effort by pro-life groups to address this question. They are as much “deaths” as “deaths” from abortion.

Another issue is twins. Twins develop much later. So if–before the development of the twin–a soul were inserted in the embryo, what happens when a twin develops? A second soul is added? And if gets more complicated, since some twins are re-absorbed back into the original embryo–so the 2nd soul then “dies”? But in fact nothing at all “died”–it just went back to being part of the original being.
 
Species isn’t defined by the developemental stage it’s found in.

two things matter here. Is it living? Is it human?+
 
Notice that they distinguish between “human life” and “person.”

Exactly what I said.
No, actually, you said “human BEING.” Go back and read your posts.

This is called moving the goalposts or equivocation of terms.
 
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This topic is great, its helping us see both side of the supporters. Have we got anywhere? The truth i didn’t think so. I think us Trump supporters are all pretty firm with our decision. Yes I’m Mexican American and I still support him. I know lots of MEx amer hate his guts.
On the other hand , i hoping to get anti trump crew to see another side of trump. I don’t think I’m doing a good job on that though, but we got too keep trying.
 
Why does he keep doing it? He thinks it helps him and makes him popular.
He does it because he does not want his enemies to control the narrative.

I remeber when Bush 2 was too ‘Presidential’ to answer accusations about himself and respond to the smears. He ended up being then most hated President in modern history, his party utterly collapsed in 2006, lost even more in 2008, and he is still blamed for causing the majority of the US problems.

If Trump goes down, he wants to go down fighting.
 
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