Do Christians and muslims worship same God?

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Uh…no, they do not worship the same God. It is ridiculous to say they do.

Ask a Muslim, Jew, and Christian if they believe in the God that became man, suffered, died, and was buried, and rose on the third day.
Answer is no, no, yes.
How much simpler can it be?

Jews, Muslims and Christians are all THEISTS. But they do not worship the same God. Do not confuse Theism with religion.
 
Catholic and islam isn’t worship the same god
Allah is the pagan moon god and mohammad is not prophet of our God YAHWE
 
Malcolm said:
to the extent anyone worships the one true creator of all things then of course they are worshiping our God

however - to the extent muslims worship the “author of the Qur’an” then they most decidedly do NOT worship our God and there should be no waffling about that fact.

Muhammad said a spirit (supposedly the Archangel Gabriel) dictated the Qur’an to him (Muhammad) directly from God so we as Christians should discern the nature of that spirit before judging its message. The New Testament tells us how to do this …
[…] test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
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LateCatholic said:
Uh…no, they do not worship the same God. It is ridiculous to say they do.

Ask a Muslim, Jew, and Christian if they believe in the God that became man, suffered, died, and was buried, and rose on the third day.
Answer is no, no, yes.
How much simpler can it be?

Jews, Muslims and Christians are all THEISTS. But they do not worship the same God. Do not confuse Theism with religion.
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Both of you are entitled to your own opinions, of course, but this is not what the Catholic Church teaches. The Church teaches clearly that Catholics, Jews and Muslims worship the same God.
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Malcolm said:
does anyone know what the Council of Trent Catechism says about this ?
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I know what the Church teaches about it, which has been presented in this thread many times. Are you hoping that digging through 600 year old Church documents will provide a different answer? I don’t believe this question is addressed in the Council of Trent Catechism, but it can be found easily on line so you can take a look if you like.
 
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Are you hoping that digging through 600 year old Church documents will provide a different answer?
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yes I was hoping an era of previous clarity might shed light on the “common sewer of modernism” in which we are forced to swim

Our God IS Christ while the muslim “god” denies Christ.

How can you equate diametrically opposed positions apart from just saying they are the same ?

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Lou2U said:
The Catechism says this:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims . "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
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Me thinking some people on this thread are not reading all the posts so i just wanted to bump this one.

Peace!!!
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Malcolm said:
yes I was hoping an era of previous clarity might shed light on the “common sewer of modernism” in which we are forced to swim

Our God IS Christ while the muslim “god” denies Christ .

How can you equate diametrically opposed positions apart from just saying they are the same ?

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I am not equating or saying anything. I am merely quoting the Church’s teaching.
 
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these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."
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The word profess is important in this context. Muslims do not hold the faith of Abraham.
 
adf417 said:
The Catechism says this:
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims . "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
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if muslims worship the Creator fine , if they worship the author of the Qur’an (who explicitly and repeatedly rejects the divinity of Christ) - well … you do the math.

is anyone here suggesting the plan of salvation includes the explicit rejection of the divinity of Christ ?
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Remember:-

One man wrote the quran so people would obey, but many men and women wrote the Bible so people would listen.
 
TMC said:
Both of you are entitled to your own opinions, of course, but this is not what the Catholic Church teaches. The Church teaches clearly that Catholics, Jews and Muslims worship the same God.
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And that is obviously wrong. It is a political statement not a theological one.

Consider a parallel non-religious example. Two people like Batman. The first likes the campy, Adam West Batman from the 1960’s. The second likes Frank Miller’s Dark Knight that kills criminals. Their historical timelines are completely different and contradictory. Their philosophies are completely different. They have different mythos.

Saying both people like the SAME “Batman” is false. It just is. In fact, each probably despises the other’s “Batman”.

When the Pope and others say we all worship the same God, it is a POLITICAL statement - and obviously so. To say otherwise would be very damaging. But start delving into the Theological foundations and it is clearly not true.

As I mentioned, ask a Christian to define God. Use the apostles Creed or the Profession of Faith, for example. Then ask a Muslim or Jew if they believe in that God. The answer will be NO and NO. End of discussion.
 
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PeterT said:
That is NOT what the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches. The Catechism is quite clear on this topic: both Christians and Muslims worship the SAME God.
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This is clearly done for political purposes.
Is it true or not that salvation can ONLY be found through Baptism and belief in Christ?
yes or no?

How disingenuous is this? In one paragraph the Catechism says we worship the same God, and in the next it says Muslims and Jews are going to Hell because they deny Jesus and aren’t Baptized? I mean, come on, let’s be real here.

Again, do not confuse THEISM with religion. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Christians, etc, are all THEISTS. This conflicts with DEISTS, and of course ATHEISTS.
 
Muslims are categorized under “those who have not yet received the Gospel” within the Catholic Catechism. We acknowledge that "they profess to hold the faith of Abraham.” We acknowledge that together “with us” they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. But, we also acknowledge, as Tim Staples has stated in the past, “get it profoundly wrong when it comes to both who God has revealed himself to be in the NT and what he has taught his people.”

In regard to “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” it does not necessarily mean Muslims can not be saved. It depends upon culpability. If a Muslim comes to know the truth, but rejects it anyway, then they put their souls in imminent danger.

"Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.” - John 9:41

CCC 847: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
 
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Malka said:
Muslims are categorized under “those who have not yet received the Gospel” within the Catholic Catechism. We acknowledge that "they profess to hold the faith of Abraham.” We acknowledge that together “with us” they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.
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Uhg. This is so disingenuous it borders on being insulting. Look at Muslims scholars that know more about Christianity than all of us combined, like Reza Aslan. He’s still a Muslim. If Jesus Christ hasn’t been revealed to him, He’s been revealed to no Muslim. This is a man that has written books on Jesus. So, yeah, Reza is going to burn in Hell forever because even though he worships the same God, he won’t acknowledge God’s true nature. But it’s the same God. It makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

Call a spade a spade. Clearly the statement that we all worship the same God is meant to be political Xanax. Religious disagreements can incite violence. Imagine the wrath that would ensue if the Pope said Allah and Jehovah are false Gods. The Church has no choice. It’s the safe way out, but come one, let’s show some intellectual honesty here. Why even profess the faith on Sunday if it is meaningless? They are not the same.
 
Malcolm said:
I listened to some YouTube clips alleging Pope recently said Christians and muslims worship the same God.
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It doesn’t matter what the Pope “recently” said. Pope Paul VI explicitly stated Muslims worship the same God as us in 1964.

Pope Saint John Paul II quoted him in the Catechism (841):
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (Lumen Gentium 16)
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There is simply no room for debate on this narrow question. Answering in the affirmative that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews does NOT endorse any incorrect beliefs that Muslims hold about God.
 
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LateCatholic said:
And that is obviously wrong.
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I understand that is your opinion. You are entitled to it and I am not really trying to change your mind. I just don’t want those coming here to learn what the Church teaches to be confused. The Church teaches that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God. You disagree, and that is your prerogative.
 
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adf417:
these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."
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The word profess is important in this context. Muslims do not hold the faith of Abraham.
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,and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,…
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Peace!!!
 
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