Do Homosexuals Have The Equal Rights in the USA?

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bibleguy180 said:
Aye, but did JESUS say it?
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According to St John Jesus said and did so much it could not all be written. Among the Jews homosexuality was already understood to be wrong.

Bottomline - we do not know if Jesus addressed it or needed to.
 
And since we can’t know, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on whether or not its a sin. But the fact remains it’s wrong not to let them be married.
 
Yikes. History isn’t my best subject. 😛 hahaha. But seriously I think God did.
 
buffalo said:
Correct. And man should redefine it? Is that arrogant or what?
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I’m not trying to argue from a moral perspective, I don’t think it’s right, either. I’m arguing from a civil perspective that in a country based on freedom, gay marriages should be civilly accepted
 
bibleguy180 said:
And since we can’t know, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on whether or not its a sin. But the fact remains it’s wrong not to let them be married.
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If you are sincere in looking for facts then find out why homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in 1973.

God bless,
Ed
 
bibleguy180 said:
I’m not trying to argue from a moral perspective, I don’t think it’s right, either. I’m arguing from a civil perspective that in a country based on freedom, gay marriages should be civilly accepted
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Then laws are not needed.
 
There are those on this thread that treat homosexuals as lepers. They have a cross to carry just like the rest of us. People get worked up over this issue as if they are God’s foreman.
 
agbasinger said:
There are those on this thread that treat homosexuals as lepers. They have a cross to carry just like the rest of us. People get worked up over this issue as if they are God’s foreman.
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I haven’t read that in the majority of the posts. One of the problems I am seeing here is that those who are promoting “gay rights” on this and othr threads are treating “gays” as if they are a different race or class of people. Homosexuals are individuals who participate in a certain sexual behavior, which is done outside the boundries setup by the Church concerning sex. These “people” are white, black, oriental, men, women, etc. No one should be given special rights because of an activity whether it is licit or not. Are there people who get beat up because they are homosexuals? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Homosexuals are not getting beat up more than most.

When someone commits a homosexual activity they are committing a grevious sin, but so is anyone you commits a heterosexual activity outside the bonds of marriage.

Should “homosexuals” have the right to get married? No. Why because marriage is primarily used to develop a proper environment for bearing and raising children. Two men cannot bear a child nor can two women. For them to have a child requires an additional person involved whether a doner or a child bearer or by adoption. The first two are mortal sins in themselves.

Also if you are going to allow same sex marriage where does it end? Next step will be allowing polygamy, then people will be wanting to marry their favorite animal, nex there will be the desire to be married to children, etc., etc.

Also why should something that is as important as the marriage have to be changed to fit the desires of maybe 1% of the population. In the states that have legalized gay marriage or civil unions haven’t married millions of gay couples. The correct answer of the number of gay marriages are probably closer to hundreds.

The other point I want to make is no one is born a homosexual. First there is no scientific proof that there is a SSA gene. Second one does not become truly a homosexual until he or she starts actively performing homosexual acts.
 
ERose said:
I haven’t read that in the majority of the posts. One of the problems I am seeing here is that those who are promoting “gay rights” on this and othr threads are treating “gays” as if they are a different race or class of people. Homosexuals are individuals who participate in a certain sexual behavior, which is done outside the boundries setup by the Church concerning sex. These “people” are white, black, oriental, men, women, etc. No one should be given special rights because of an activity whether it is licit or not. Are there people who get beat up because they are homosexuals? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Homosexuals are not getting beat up more than most.

When someone commits a homosexual activity they are committing a grevious sin, but so is anyone you commits a heterosexual activity outside the bonds of marriage.

Should “homosexuals” have the right to get married? No. Why because marriage is primarily used to develop a proper environment for bearing and raising children. Two men cannot bear a child nor can two women. For them to have a child requires an additional person involved whether a doner or a child bearer or by adoption. The first two are mortal sins in themselves.

Also if you are going to allow same sex marriage where does it end? Next step will be allowing polygamy, then people will be wanting to marry their favorite animal, nex there will be the desire to be married to children, etc., etc.

Also why should something that is as important as the marriage have to be changed to fit the desires of maybe 1% of the population. In the states that have legalized gay marriage or civil unions haven’t married millions of gay couples. The correct answer of the number of gay marriages are probably closer to hundreds.

The other point I want to make is no one is born a homosexual. First there is no scientific proof that there is a SSA gene. Second one does not become truly a homosexual until he or she starts actively performing homosexual acts.
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I cannot support gay marriage because my Church won’t support it.

But I don’t think Gays are asking for special rights, but they are asking for civil rights that are not allowed right now.

“Are there people who get beat up because they are homosexuals? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Homosexuals are not getting beat up more than most.”

Let’s replace the word ‘homosexuals’ with ‘Catholic’, because gays are just ordinary people. The statement reads

“Are there people who get beat up because they are Catholic? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Catholics are not getting beat up more than most.”

As far as a slippery slope argument goes, the whole “if we let gays get married where does it stop” is silly. Polygamy was legitamized in the old testiment!

Where did you get %1? How many people in America are for Gay marriage?
 
estesbob said:
Homosexual behavior , in fact no sexual behavior, is not accorded the same protected status that ones race, creed, gender of country of national origin. There is no rational basis to provide this status but that is what you and other Homosexual apologists are demanding.QUOTE]

I agree it has to do with behavior. For instance, I know homosexual who travel around the world, rent and open businesses in small towns. How is this discrimination?

If however an organization doesn’t rent out a hall to them after their so-called “marriage”, the organization should have every right because it is against the ceremony, which is their religious belief.
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bibleguy180 said:
I’m not trying to argue from a moral perspective, I don’t think it’s right, either. I’m arguing from a civil perspective that in a country based on freedom, gay marriages should be civilly accepted
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So you believe morality isn’t in law? Then when a man beats his wife, why is there police there to protect her?

Why was polygamy banned by Congress? Do you realize in states where so-called same-sex marrigae is allowed to teach in public schools that homosexual behavior is okay? How then do you to you explain to your children that the school is wrong? How do you know what exactly the are teaching your children if you are not notified?

It appears there are societal implications once homosexual is legalized. It isn’t simply “let them do what they want and I’ll just do what I want” type of situation.
 
agbasinger said:
I cannot support gay marriage because my Church won’t support it.

But I don’t think Gays are asking for special rights, but they are asking for civil rights that are not allowed right now.

“Are there people who get beat up because they are homosexuals? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Homosexuals are not getting beat up more than most.”

Let’s replace the word ‘homosexuals’ with ‘Catholic’, because gays are just ordinary people. The statement reads

“Are there people who get beat up because they are Catholic? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Catholics are not getting beat up more than most.”

As far as a slippery slope argument goes, the whole “if we let gays get married where does it stop” is silly. Polygamy was legitamized in the old testiment!

Where did you get %1? How many people in America are for Gay marriage?
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This is not a civil rights issue although that is what is promoted.

All American citizens are subject to Constitution and Declaration.
 
agbasinger said:
There are those on this thread that treat homosexuals as lepers. They have a cross to carry just like the rest of us. People get worked up over this issue as if they are God’s foreman.
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What does the Church tell us?

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

On Catholic Answers, Catholics should promote the Catholic answer. This issue is serious since it redefines marriage. Right now, in Massachusetts, there is no privacy. People who do not believe in the practice of homosexuality are having their kids exposed to gay storybooks, homosexuality is being normalized as a good thing. And this is all supported by the State. It is being imposed by the State. There is no choice.

God bless,
Ed
 
BobObob said:
“SSA” stands for “same-sex attraction”, or homosexual attraction. A homosexual person experiences SSA.

Some people ho experience SSA may have good reasons for telling some others about their SSA (see forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=457358&page=6 ).

Also, individuals can, and often do, discriminate against those who they think are homosexual, regardless of whether or not the person they think is homosexual has said so. I’m talking about not just things like renting, but rather referring more to “every-day” things.

I’ll fix that:

For discrimination towards homosexual persons by average practicing Catholics, see post 35 and beyond in this thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=457358&page=3

For discrimination from others in general:

uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf

“Homosexual men earn 16% to 28% less than non-homosexual men with similar demographic characteristics.”

ideas.repec.org/a/ilr/articl/v48y1995i4p726-739.html

“[T]he author finds that gay and bisexual male workers earned from 11% to 27% less than heterosexual male workers with the same experience, education, occupation, marital status, and region of residence…”

citeulike.org/user/tfuist/article/4004094

“[G]ay and lesbian communities have brought attention to the scope and consequences of anti-gay and lesbian violence in the United States, which ‘has taken its place among such societal concerns as violence against women, children and ethnic and racial groups’ (Comstock 1991:1)”

books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZWT4I2cTCFIC&oi=fnd&pg=PA19&dq=gays+violence&ots=GNPqYbL6Rm&sig=LswRIWRs5sJdUR0pGgL2Fqisdug#v=onepage&q=gays%20violence&f=false (page 19)

“Since the birth of the gay liberation movement in the 1960s, a large body of data on anti-gay violence and other victimization has developed. Thousands of episodes—including defimation, harassment, intimidation, assault, murder, vandalism, and othe abuse—have been reported to police departments and local and national organizations (Berrill, 1986; NGLTF, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990; NGLTF Policy Institute, 1991). Many thousands more incidents have gone unreported (see Chapter 18 of this volume by Berrill & Herek). Numerous empirical studies, many of them unpublished, also have shown the problem of anti-gay violence to be widespread.”

These are things that I found by simply doing a few minutes of online research. I’m sure I could find much more if I wanted to…
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BobObob said:
The difference between experiencing an attraction to the same sex and having sex with another person of the same sex is HUGE.

It’s the same difference between liking someone of the opposite sex versus fornicating with them.

One’s sexual attraction is not consciously controlled and is rarely (if ever) chosen. Even if it were, one’s sexual attraction, which is a passion, is neither morally good nor bad in itself (see CCC 1767). On the other hand, one’s sexual behavior is consciously controlled.
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Bob lots of problems here, I am not sure where to start but let’s start here:
Discrimination - looking for and recognizing differences.
Unlawful discrimination - actions which violate the law by using an illegal form of discrimination which is to exclude or include a protected class of people based on their protected status.

Now bus boys earn less than CEOs so does that prove discrimination? is it illegal? ANSWERS are NO and NO. CEOs earn more by performing a higher valued service, CEOs are not a legally protected class, bus boys are not a legally protected class. This concept that people who work less, or perform less valuable duties are paid less proves discrimination exists is a false concept.

In this thread the question is Equal Rights which clearly refers to a legal status and the answer is YES homosexuals have Equal Rights. The discrimination you are discussing in outside of the legal realm and into the general realm thus it not fitting for this thread.

hope that helps explain it
 
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